San Fran and Illegals

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<p>Ehh? </p>

<p>Most places that implemented a voucher system were far more successful than those without one. I don’t know what schools you’re talking about.</p>

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<p>False.
<a href=“http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14736.html[/url]”>http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14736.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I’ve encountered the situation that Zoosermom speaks of in post #98. Inq</p>

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<p>I’ve encountered the situation that Zoosermom speaks of in post #98. There are regions of Mexico where the locals are not literate in Espanol. These are indigenous Indian societies. Some of these ‘native American Mexicans’ have made their way to the USA, looking for work, just like their Mestizo bretheren. So I’d imagine that their childrens’ difficulties with the American education sysetem is not exaggerated.</p>

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<p>More breaking news:</p>

<p>[S.F&lt;/a&gt;. shift: Illegal immigrant offenders to be handed to feds](<a href=“http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/02/BAU911IPGK.DTL&tsp=1]S.F”>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/02/BAU911IPGK.DTL&tsp=1)</p>

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<p>And today’s Op-Ed piece:</p>

<p>[No</a> sanctuary for drug dealers](<a href=“http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/03/EDL411INIP.DTL&tsp=1]No”>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/03/EDL411INIP.DTL&tsp=1)</p>

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<p>It is HARD. The difference in culture and history is almost insurmountable. The ability to translate is hard to come by, basic middle class values that most Americans are familiar with are completely unfamiliar. Tough on the schools, tougher on the hospitals. From my experience, these are the people who are least likely to want to be here, also. I find it a sad circumstance.</p>

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<p>[Crack</a> dealer caught in S.F. after escape](<a href=“http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/03/BAMS11JVB8.DTL&tsp=1]Crack”>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/03/BAMS11JVB8.DTL&tsp=1)</p>

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<p>Still more…</p>

<p>[Immigrant</a> sanctuary laws seen as practical](<a href=“http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/05/MN7U11JLM7.DTL&tsp=1]Immigrant”>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/05/MN7U11JLM7.DTL&tsp=1)</p>

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<p>INS deportation centers are loaded with problems. </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-rv/nation/specials/immigration/index.html[/url]”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-rv/nation/specials/immigration/index.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>If they advertise that in all the sending countries, maybe they will think twice before trying. It’s not the Holiday Inn.</p>

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<p>Not again!</p>

<p>At first I thought the title on the front page was a joke, but no. This was just published on 7/9:</p>

<p>[Activists</a> urge SF to help immigrant drug offenders](<a href=“http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/09/BAK011MCJK.DTL&tsp=1]Activists”>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/09/BAK011MCJK.DTL&tsp=1)</p>

<p>My favorite quote: “They (the criminals) deserve our respect…”</p>

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<p>Because they are so respectful of us!</p>

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<p>As a soon to be mexican student at a US university and knowing that my point of view is different than the illegal inmigrants, trying not to get into a debate of whether or not should low class mexicans go sneak into the US illegally. </p>

<p>There’s two big truth statements no one can deny.

  1. Mexican illegal inmigrants in the US that commit any kind of crime should be punished even worse than the regular offenders. You are giving sometimes your hand to them trying to help them, and that is taking advantage of the situation.
  2. Mexican illegal inmigrants do a GREAT work, in low profile jobs that are not that demanded let’s be honest, and if they do a great job, if US as a society gains with them working in those occupations, I can’t see what’s wrong with it.
    And here we are talking about hypocresy because if the majority of the US population were against them working in that positions, please tell me why are the employers giving them work anyways?</p>

<p>Please remember that during WWII, the whole “Bracero Program” started because of the lack of men that could work mainly in the US agriculture but not just in there, so you can’t just say it’s wrong and that they should get the hell out, without recognizing the good things they give to your society.</p>

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That is not an honest statement. Demand for jobs varies by region and demographic.</p>

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<p>I actually knew of several folks who are in the remodeling/rehabbing business. Their crews are almost all illegals. They’ll do great work and bust their butt for less than others. I don’t think it is right and I don’t like it. Several of them have been busted already. I have to somewhat support pablo in that the illegals I’ve come across work really hard and do a really good job. I’m sure they would do an equally good job if they had gone through the proper channels like they should have!</p>

<p>Just for the record you have a mexican student who uses the proper (not pc garbage) term for these people, illegal.</p>

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<p>That is really strange as indian groups in Mexico, the ones you mention as “people that don’t speak either english or spanish” for them it’s pretty but pretty weird to even go away from their little towns down the mountains because they have very deep cultural roots, they just don’t go away that easily. </p>

<p>As a matter of fact the social group of Indian tribes here in Mexico, whenever they try to get visas like when they go to the US to sell their handcraft to some specialized shops, statiscally they are almost never (like 85% acceptance rate) rejected in the tourist visa, as you might have thought.</p>

<p>The typical mexican illegal inmigrant, is usually low class and ISN’T from an Indian tribe, they are just poor an uneducated most of the times.</p>

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<p>Which is exactly what we’ve been saying. This particular subgroup of immigrants isn’t happy to be here and isn’t assimilating. They want to be home and it’s an outrage that they feel they have no choice but to immigrate to make a living. Not a proud situation for your government. By the way, the term “low class” is insulting and disrespectful.</p>

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<p>Not a proud situation for OUR Government (and especially the Democrats), who pushed NAFTA and millions of people who had lived on their own land for centuries.</p>

<p>It wasn’t the lure of the United States, but the ‘push’ of the local situation. Even during the 70s and 80s, the U.S. just wasn’t that attractive to people from southern Mexico.</p>

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<p>I have problems with those who are hiring any of the illegals on terms that have cheapened the value of that work for all that do it. Many here pay these workers way too little for dangerous work and conditions that would not be tolerated if it were Americans involved. I have no respect for those who do that, and the deepest sympathies for those whose lives are so hard that these conditions are an improvement for them. Our country is allowing abuse of these workers by casting a blind eye to this semi slave labor and lack of care of conditions. It gives a bad name to good, hard work that should be better rewarded and be done under the safest conditions possible. Those doing these jobs should have legal standing and insurance, retirement, hospitalization, benefits, etc for the risks taken. That we are taking such an easy way out on this issue is pure shame. Some sort of care should be taken to legalize the situation as was and is done in Germany with their Gastarbeitern. It is our shame.</p>