I don’t think that is any different at any college right now, one that calls itself a sanctuary campus or not. Schools call in local law enforcement when needed to report crimes, but they rarely call in ICE or another federal agency except when reporting a student who has overstayed a visa as they are required to do.
If the school reports a crime to local law enforcement and that city/county/state reports it to ICE, there really isn’t much the school can do about it.
If DACA is repealed then a lot of students will technically be committing a crime by simply being there since they no longer will have any status. I think what the schools are saying is that they will not blow the whistle on these students. It will be up to the federal government to present them with the appropriate legal paperwork.
In my own opinion this whole issue is really not an issue at all. I do not believe for a minute that they will make any attempt to round up these students absent some sort of serious criminal record.
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Whether a crime is serious or not is determined by state (or local) law. If it is a felony, the person can be deported. There is no requirement in federal law that the felony be violent or hurt someone else.
There is a women facing deportation in VA. She pleaded guilty to DUI. No one was hurt. Her family is arguing she isn’t a criminal. A DUI is a felony even if no one was hurt. I think she will be deported.
I thought we were addressing the deportation of students covered under DACA. Was the woman in Virginia a student covered by DACA? If she was I am pretty sure she would not be eligible to renew that status once she has a criminal record. I know you cannot get initial DACA coverage if you have a record.
If we are talking about the general population of those illegally in the country, then I am not sure how what the new administration is proposing is any different than what Obama did under the Secure Communities program. I think under that program over 2 million were deported by some sort of digital fingerprinting that was shared between ICE and local officials. Once illegal criminals were identified and found they were deported. Not sure how serious the crime had to be, but quite a number were deported each year under that program.
No, she wasn’t under DACA, but I was just pointing out that what some people think are ‘serious’ crimes are not what other people think are serious, so the issue is taken away by defining any felony as serious enough to get deported. If schools give sanctuary when they know a felony has been committed (which is what some sanctuary cities do), there could be an issue with federal funding. That’s what the issue with sanctuary cities is, that they do not turn over convicted felons to ICE or other federal agencies after a conviction. The threat is that the federal government will withhold funding, and that same threat could be levied against any school too.
The feds aren’t asking cities to find undocumented person, but to notify the feds if an undocumented person is convicted of a felony and is being released from custody. Sanctuary cities refuse to do that. What is a school doing to offer sanctuary? Is it not reporting crimes to authorities because it suspects a student would be convicted and then deported because of that conviction? Would the school turn over the names of citizen students who committed the same acts? The school should treat the undocumented students the same as the citizen students, even if the results after a trial and conviction would be more severe for the undocumented student than the citizen.
I don’t think the schools are looking to protect students that have been convicted of crimes. My understanding is that they are trying to shield students enrolled at their schools who have protection from deportation pursuant to DACA. If DACA is gone after January 20 then these students are at risk. Most of the schools are simply saying we will not use our resources to identify and oust these students - immigration is a federal matter so the federal government will have to do that work.
Each school has it’s own idea of what a sanctuary campus looks like. I am not sure comparing them to sanctuary cities is applicable here.
I think this is great. The more colleges that are on board with this idea, the more difficult it will be to try and enforce any legislation to deport these kids who are, to all intents and purposes, Americans. They can’t be everywhere trying to find undocumented students.
I suspect there are literally thousands of students who were brought to the country as young children or infants whose friends and classmates would be shocked to discover these kids are undocumented. They shouldn’t be punished for something they had no part in.
Not if they are pardoned for the so called crime before Jan 20. I think that eliminates the prospect of a 10 year ban so they can get legal student visas. Still trying to sort this all out.
That could very well create a revolt that causes far greater and much more wide-scale punishment.
@hebegebe, I assume that you are joking.
Seriously though, I don’t see the big deal. It doesn’t provide any legal status, it just eliminates the criminal aspect of breathing on US soil as an adult and avoids the 10 year ban on re-entry. Authorization to work is still withdrawn and these folks are still subject to deportation. It think DACA students would be able to get student visas to continue with their education because they wouldn’t be subject to the re-entry ban. I think the DACA folks who are not students are still hosed. I’m not an attorney though, I’ve just been trying to understand the complexities.
Technically, yes. But from a practical standpoint, this is no different than pre-DACA, i.e., <2012. (DACA has only been around since Jun-12.) The point is that the Feds were not knocking on college doors to track down undocumented students in 2011, and it is highly unlikely that they will be on Jan 21 if the policy is changed.
OTOH, I can understand college Admin trying to help alleviate the concern of its students.
Bingo!. The only real impact of DACA is employment prospects of those that have graduated under the program.
The fact is that most colleges are still quite unaffordable to those on the lowest income scales, which includes many undocumenteds.
The president could only pardon a crime that has already been committed, not a future action. The president could pardon the undocumented person for being in the US up until noon on Jan 20. After that, the person is still committing a crime by being in the US without documentation.
DACA students are not getting student visas, they just attend school. If they had visas they’d be international students and probably not qualify for instate tuition or student aid.
DACA was never meant to be a permanent solution – it just allowed these kids to be employed and/or go to college while the Obama administration worked on getting a path to citizenship passed for those who were brought here by their parents. And at the same time his administration was deporting those who were committing crimes under that Safe Communities program. Both those things seem reasonable to me.
Personally I have no problem with more secure borders and implementing a national immigration policy that ** we will enforce.** My thought is that the new administration will focus on securing the border to stem the problem. But does anyone here believe there will be mass deportations for those who have stayed on the right side of the law? I actually think this new administration is now going to have to be the ones to figure out a path to citizenship for these people. It is probably less expensive and less controversial than undertaking mass deportations.
Since plenty of such kids were already attending college pre-DACA, it’s only real impact was to allow the grads to get a job.
Per Wiki (the font of all knowledge): “…DACA had no significant effects on the likelihood of attending school.”
@bluebayou wrote:
According to one website, there are about 30,000 DACA college students nationwide though only a couple thousand manage to graduate on a yearly basis. To put that in perspective, there are over 120,000 DACA children who are currently high school seniors.
fwiw:
another website focused on the Dream Act indicates that 65,000 undocumented students graduate from HS every year (includes DACA students).
Zero politics here, just the facts. “Improper entry” into the U.S. Is a violation of the U.S. Code with penalties of fines and imprisonment of 6 months.
But you didn’t answer my question @snarlton. Do you think he will follow through and actually deport all these people?
@HarvestMoon1 Is @snarlatron a prophet? 
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