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<p>I think I read somewhere that the boys pleaded guilty to rape and in return the DA dropped the child pornography charge.</p>
<p>First, we don’t know whether they took dates. Lots of kids go to prom without dates these days.</p>
<p>Second, as of the date of the prom, their names weren’t public. IF they had dates, the girls’ parents probably knew nothing about these charges. Even if they did…at that point they were just charges. I’m sure the boys were denying the charges to everybody who did know about them. </p>
<p>There’s a big part of me that says that’s why these boys’ names should be made public. I’m not sure…in fact I don’t think…that their names should be all over the internet…but I think the attorney who claimed Savannah had “ruined” his client’s life with “lies” is the person most responsible for the fact that they are. </p>
<p>I DO think though that other teenage girls in Louisville and their parents have the right to know what these two boys did. Heck…it’s just as important that the parents of sons know about it so they can do what they can to make sure their sons aren’t hanging out with them.</p>
<p>During Parents’ Weekend my D’s first year in college, she pointed out the college rapist. I was astonished and immediately thought there might be an angry ex who spread rumors. My D said the female RA had told her group that about half a dozen female students claimed he had sexually assaulted them, but none of them had filed criminal charges.</p>
<p>Part of me felt it was unfair that this young man was being labeled as a rapist without any trial or even charges, but part of me also was very glad that my D had been made aware of the fact that these claims had been made. </p>
<p>I don’t know…these cases are hard. Here, the difference is the boys admitted what they did.</p>
<p>Those boys should have been disciplined more, including kicked off their teams. I think this is a case of blame the victim and a good old boys club. It makes me very angry that these boys got away with this.</p>
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<p>From what I’ve read, that’s not true. What happened is that after Savannah tweeted the names of her attackers, a number of posts were made on the internet which said that the boys had not undressed her. Instead, these posts claim she took off her clothes herself while drunk and posed for the pictures. Some of the posts then claimed that the boys had only plead guilty to sexual abuse --which they were completely innocent of–because the penalties for child pornography were worse.</p>
<p>We now know that at the time all of these posts were appearing on the internet the boys had already admitted that they took off her clothes.</p>
<p>Mrs College, I see no indication that the boys pleaded guilty to anything. It looks to me like the charges were dismissed. As if nothing ever happened.</p>
<p>^No, that’s not correct, kayf. They pleaded guilty to felony sexual abuse and misdemeanor voyeurism.</p>
<p>Sally thank you. I do not see anything that prevents a federal prosecution, which, imho, there should be one. </p>
<p>Have they been sentenced yet?</p>
<p>“Those boys should have been disciplined more, including kicked off their teams. I think this is a case of blame the victim and a good old boys club. It makes me very angry that these boys got away with this.”</p>
<p>lmkh, there has been a lot of blaming of the victim, and for sure defense of the offenders’ actions among the good old boys club, but I don’t think the boys have exactly gotten away with it. They have both been expelled from the Catholic school and will likely have a hard time getting back on the Ivy-bound track they thought they deserved even after they did this. I think the defense attorney who went public to Huffington Post about “poor X, whose Ivy hopes are dashed and whose life is now unnecessarily ruined” did the most damage of all. If they were hoping the whole thing would just go away, they took the wrong approach to seeing that it did.</p>
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<p>One of the boys was showing pictures of what they had done to other students so I would think that what they had done would be well-known at the school. I can’t imagine a young lady wanting to go to the prom with a guy that did that to someone else.</p>
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<p>I think that the sentencing date is in about two weeks.</p>
<p>@kayf, this is from the Louisville Courier-Journal a few days ago:</p>
<p>“The boys were offered a plea deal that required them to do 50 hours of volunteer work and left it up to the state Department of Juvenile Justice to determine what level of supervision and treatment was needed, said Emily Farrar-Crockett, an attorney for Dietrich. The conviction could be set aside and erased when the boys turn 19½ if they complete a diversion program.”</p>
<p>In this regard, they did get off easy…I don’t even think they will have to register as sex offenders.</p>
<p>One of the boys was showing pictures of what they had done to other students so I would think that what they had done would be well-known at the school. I can’t imagine a young lady wanting to go to the prom with a guy that did that to someone else</p>
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<p>That is true, but what about other than that school? Others have noted that many problem students transfer and they also go to college. I think the publicity was the right thing.</p>
<p>@kayf, this is from the Louisville Courier-Journal a few days ago:</p>
<p>“The boys were offered a plea deal that required them to do 50 hours of volunteer work and left it up to the state Department of Juvenile Justice to determine what level of supervision and treatment was needed, said Emily Farrar-Crockett, an attorney for Dietrich. The conviction could be set aside and erased when the boys turn 19½ if they complete a diversion program.”</p>
<p>In this regard, they did get off easy…I don’t even think they will have to register as sex offenders. </p>
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<p>Thank you Sally. This is terrible. I will be writing the Federal AG for this distict demanding prosecution. This is no different than when states would not prosecute crimes against blacks. It must stop.</p>
<p>lmkh,</p>
<p>Trinity kicked them out of school after Savannah’s mom called the school. One of the boys then tried to enroll in a public school. The public school system said that in light of the charges…which were public by then…he would have to go to a special alternative high school rather than a regular public high school. His parents are appealing that decision and he’s not currently enrolled in school.</p>
<p>In any event, Trinity kicked them out. Remember that’ what Zehnder’s attorney complained about to the Huffington Post.</p>
<p>The boys’ parents and attorneys in this remind me of the lawyer-dad of the California kid who got kicked out of his IB class for cheating–and then sued the school because his Ivy chances were now shot. </p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1332930-cheaters-father-sues-school.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1332930-cheaters-father-sues-school.html</a></p>
<p>kay, the boys took a plea deal of 50 hours community service. On Sept. 14, a judge will accept or reject the deal, and Ms. Dietrich, who’s outraged about the light sentence, wants to have some input.</p>
<p>Lasma, thank you. Community service may be appropriate for things like underage drinking. It is not appropriate for crimes with victims. I am especially chagrined with the one boy who apparently refused to delete the pictures. Taking pictures while drunk, I might accept a contrite and sincere apology. Refusing to delete them while sober = despicable.</p>
<p>Sticking your fingers into the vagina of a very drunk girl after you’ve taken off her clothes? Nope, that’s not something a “contrite and sincere apology” would undo for me even if the boys were themselves drunk at the time. </p>
<p>And, remember…one boy CLAIMED he deleted the picture in a text to Savannah. The cops have the phones which they seized. So, the court and the cops know whether that statement is true.</p>
<p>Jonri, thank you, I admit I did not read details.</p>
<p>Let’s review what the two rapists, Will Frey and Austin Zehnder, did:</p>
<p>Frey and Zehnder raped a young woman. They took pictures of themselves raping a young woman. They kept showing around the pictures to their friends, for months. When the young woman they raped asked them to stop showing the pictures around, one refused.</p>
<p>To the lawyer who complained that the woman they raped was making their life a living hell, 96 Tears:</p>
<p>[QUESTION</a> MARK & THE MYSTERIANS-96 TEARS - YouTube](<a href=“QUESTION MARK & THE MYSTERIANS-96 TEARS - YouTube”>QUESTION MARK & THE MYSTERIANS-96 TEARS - YouTube)</p>
<p>I wonder about the other students they showed the pictures to. OK, it’s pretty hard to turn your friend in to the police after he has just made you an accessory after the fact to rape, but how can the friends not have reacted with the kind of shock and disgust that people here would feel? They kept on showing the pictures, indicating that the friends must have approved of what they did. Yeech.</p>
<p>What should we tell our sons about how to react when a friend boasts of raping someone?</p>