<p>I find it rather horrifying there is all of this “concern” about the “ruined lives” of the boys. Puh. Leeeze.</p>
<p>I’d say, given their remorseless behavior prior to prosecution, that some young college co-eds have been saved, hopefully, from certain date rape with guys who thought this “would be funny” and remorselessly spread the photographic evidence around to their friends.</p>
<p>I mean, they didn’t even know this was criminal behavior, and clearly, based on the response Savannah’s outing them is getting, the plea bargain did nothing to inform them of the absolute fact that it is criminal behavior. The attorny wants her to be remorseful and to apologize?</p>
<p>I’m shocked, and I’m not even being sarcastic.</p>
<p>ETA: the more I hear, the more I really “get” why Savanna was so upset by the sentence. She obviously knew these boys had no remorse for what they’d done and that the sentence had taught them nothing. I have to say I love the way this generation of young women will NOT be silenced. Sorry this happened to her, but so glad she absolutely refuses to be re-victimized by the courts.</p>
<p>Poet, I think that the judge could tell the girl that she could not disclose the sentence. The judge now denies issueing anything other than a standard juvi charge that it would be sealed (which she has now thrown out, on the basis that the victim has claimed unfair treatment)</p>
<p>BC, that is interesting. I would like to see someone learned write on what are the standards for a person that could be charged as an adult to be charged as a juvenile. I am not certain what I think the sentence should be, but I think 50 hours of community service is a joke.</p>
<p>“Isn’t David Meija, an attorney and an officer of the court, liable for sanctions for calling Ms. Dietrich a liar when she told the truth? She said that Will Frey and Austin Zehnder raped her. They did.”</p>
<p>unless Meija lives in the alternative universe that Akin lives in, where there is real and unreal rape.</p>
<p>Hold onto your voice Savannah, this is your healing, this is your moving on. You will do more by expressing your outrage than any therapy process could provide. The rage being expressed at her for having a voice needs to be silenced. This is why women don’t report rape, how many cases have we all heard where the women on campuses do report and are shamed for harming the poor rapists. It’s time to hold the victimizers accountable for their behavior, whatever consequences occur are of their own actions.</p>
<p>Myturn, I think that Meija could be saying that his client penetrated her with a finger, not with a *****, and is “only” guilty of sexual abuse, voyerurism and unfortunately the child pornography the kid is not even charged with, but Meijua chooses to say this in a very disinengous way.</p>
<p>I agree and understand kayf. But to call Savannah a liar for stating what she personally experienced is despicable. it is the twisting of reality, in holding Savannah to a higher standard than these two victimizers because she spoke about her own victimization is outrageous.</p>
<p>These boys are clearly entitled jerks and it’s a shame that they weren’t initially punished properly so that their victim didn’t see the need to speak out. It’s ironic that by being lenient on the boys, presumably to “help” them, the prosecutor and judge have made things worse for the boys.</p>
<p>In a related matter but less disgusting matter, my daughter’s college newspaper started publishing full police reports about arrested students. For major (DUI) and minor (public urination) arrests, full names are published and drunken, inane actions and comments from the police report are also included. </p>
<p>Many students resolve their minor crimes with pre-trial intervention and are eligible to get their records expunged when they are 21. But, the published police reports remain on Google. There is a great debate about if these police reports are actually news and if publishing them is good journalism.</p>
<p>Deega, but for the internet, Savannah Dietrich would not have had a chance at justice. </p>
<p>Mytown, I agree with you, I would just trying to say why I think Meija will not be reprimanded. I also think that the prosecutor really screwed up. My guess – Savannah’s family is not as well off as Frey’s and Zehnder’s and he thought he thought he could easily dismiss.</p>
<p>"The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” </p>
<p>If it’s good enough for the FBI, it’s good enough for me.</p>
<p>This is an interesting case. I can imagine a case with slighltly different facts in which we would all be outraged that somebody was violating the confidentiality of juvenile proceedings. Here, I’d say that the light sentences in the plea agreement were such an obvious miscarriage of justice that the victim’s decision to take further steps was a risk that she reasonably chose to take–and the results have proven that she was right. There may have been other ways around the problem–such as filing a civil suit against the boys, for example–but her family might not have been aware of that.</p>
<h2>There may have been other ways around the problem–such as filing a civil suit against the boys, for example–but her family might not have been aware of that</h2>
<p>Maybe she wanted justice, not money from the boys’ parents.</p>
<p>There was no way, imho, the judge could prevent her from putting forth her version of the facts, including to the boys’ school. No matter what their parents think.</p>
<p>Rather interesting going through the Student Manual and Planner. It appears that they don’t have an Honor Code but rather a list of general rules, punishments, etc. It looks like Dietrich could also have been dismissed for the alcohol incident.</p>
<p>There is a requirement in Kentucky that the school principal be notified if a juvenile is charged or convicted of a crime involving a controlled substance, posession of a deadly weapon, or physical injury to another person. I’m a little surprised that sexual assault isn’t on that list.</p>
<p>The school charges a bit under $12K/year and there’s a lot that I like about how the school is run - at least based on the Student Manual.</p>
<p>Dietrich did not attend that school. There are hints, in the stories that I’ve read, that the justice system regarded this cases as a couple of good boys from affluent families, and a slut from the wrong side of the tracks.</p>
<p>Hunt, If there’s a gag order…and everyone thought there was…she couldn’t file a civil suit about the incident without going back to court and asking for a modification of the order. She thought she couldn’t talk to anyone about the “incident.” That would include filing a civil action. </p>
<p>Well…now we know which of them says he deleted the photos…I believe him…and which one did not. Guess which one had the dad who wanted the police to focus on Savannah? Easy question, right?</p>
<p>We also know that Savannah claims that the other boy sent the photos to someone else using his cell phone. It is self-evident that one of the things that upset Savannah is that she had no idea who had seen the photos. Thus far, at least, there’s no evidence that the photos were posted on the internet…but it seems probable that there ARE other copies of some of the photos in addition to the ones on the defendants’ phones.</p>
<p>I do feel sorry for one person…the other girl who was there. I suspect she’ll be absolutely mobbed by journalists. I don’t know why HER name had to be made public.</p>
<p>Trinity, the school that both Zehnder and Frey attended, is all boys.</p>
<p>I dunno about that. Zehnder sends the picture to his teammate, who sends it to his cousin, who sends it to his brother in college, who sends it to his fraternity brother, who sends it to his workout buddy… Can’t get the genie back in the bottle.</p>
<p>What would you do if you received a CP email?</p>
<p>My kids would immediately delete it. They keep their email addresses private (they have public addresses though). They’ve known this for many years - I guess that they read about it on online forums a long time ago.</p>