this is not the case for my school district…If it were the requirement for the college, then I will follow.
I am not sure what replacement credit you were thinking, but it is not the policy for my district. I encourage you to run for the Board of Ed in your district…
The class. that I enrolled her in, is not offered in the current public school. I am not sure how it is relevant.
Not disclosing for the high school transcript has not been part of my post.
What puzzles me is that you created scenarios and proceeded to criticize that scenario, may be it is time to start your thread on ethics?
Whether it is a good return on investment has already been answered.
Thank you.
I personally don’t have a problem with a kid taking any form of a prep class for another class. I just find it perplexing that this thread probably becomes moot and unneccessary if the OP would just contact the school and find out the actual situation and options. That should have been step 1. Its a far better investment of time than sitting on CC and egging on the dissent.
You know I don’t see this as cheating. But I do see the repeated emphasis on the grade she can thus achieve.(My comment in 117 was: we’re back to the original post, enhancing the grade.)
My comment about credit is separate, since you keep asking why posters keep saying she could be done with physics after summer, IF the school accepts credit. I understand you still want the year long class, that summer alone doesn’t meet your intentions. That’s fine, by me. But again, your own answers always come back to your district not including the grade in GPA calculations.
I don’t mind if a kid gets an A because of pre-experience with the material. In some cases, it reflects a drive and a willingness, which is something top adcoms do look for. There are many examples of kids who accelerate their math track, specifically to get in higher/college level math while still in hs.
But they don’t explain it as a nudge in their GPA. It’s generally about their drives to move forward in the material itself. See the difference?
Thank you. that has already been answered. I have already said that I got the suggestions early on.
What amazes me is posters keep on making new accusations and some with their own scenarios.
@annamom you lost me a long, long time ago on this thread and I totally don’t understand what you are talking about in post 121…and I’m not sure why you were snarky to my very general comments in particular. I already said I voted with take one of the APs junior year and one of the APs senior year. But if I were you I would definitely recommend you look into the necessity of SAT IIs as they are NOT required but for a very small handful of highly elite unis and you mentioned the need to take the AP classes together for the SAT IIs many posts ago, the AP tests can be taken when the AP classes are completed. Some colleges and unis will accept them as replacement credit, some do not. I have no desire to run for the Board of Ed…I’ve already shepherded three kids into college and two out of the BA degrees…
Yes, I understand you has not been commenting it as cheating and has asked me what the kid likes…or colleges she looks into…and directed me to look at a different angle and I appreciate it.
Coming back to the comment, I knew about the policy years ago that it didn’t play into my mindset in agreeing to enroll her.
With and without the GPA, I don’t think it shows her drive, if any LOL…Despite what someone tried to imply differently and may be difficult for other parents to understand. It was DD’s idea to enroll in the course…I think previously when she asked to challenge the Math course was because her friend did it and she would be in the same class level as her friends…
What I have not elaborated when I answered your initial questions, I think I only said something like the kid likes Languages Arts, writing but finds Math easy… because of her success in challenging the course, she began to “like” the course…What people may not realize is that the “success” in a course may lead to the “liking” of a course…and who knows, may be one day, she really has the drive and truly loves Science…I don’t think I should rule out a potential passion for STEM, but rushing her from class to class, marking off a core science course from a checklist is unlikely to help…(As an aside, because of her initial success in challenging a Math course, she wanted to challenge another class and I steered her away from it partly because of her other activities). I don’t know whether she will apply (or even qualify) for top colleges eventually, but I hope she has a passion on whatever she wants to major in.
I guided her to be an EMS because she enjoys lifeguarding…may be one day she will go into the medical profession…I don’t know, but it is for her to find out, may be she just hates it and will have nothing to do it with it and it is fine with me.
OP, I don’t want to be judgmental or get into the debate.
If you could see beyond the criticism, there are many practical and valuable suggestions made by many people like @ucbalumnus, @lookingforward, @fretfulmother and many others.
Didn’t go through each post on the thread, so if I am reiterating some of the thoughts above; my apologies. Here it goes:
Adcoms and teachers can look beyond what is on the paper. They know the schools and the people very well.
If you are in the SD, you have to follow their requirements. Period. You are free to look for alternatives like homeschooling etc. GC can't go beyond the framework.
If approached in a way to find solution, GCs and teachers give honest and more workable solutions in the given framework.
Most importantly, if I were in your place, I would start to narrow down what my C is going to do after HS or in college and then take the courses accordingly. Your C is a Jr, so the decision making is not far off.
The students who take extra help, time, or other support know what made it to the "A" they see on the transcript. Thinking that the student will continue to get such help in the Universities and colleges, may or may not come true even if the student can get in the University. What are the plans in such situation?
You can get your C in college this way but can the C graduate in 4-6 years? It gets very costly both in terms of time and money.
FWIW, this is for you to internalize and prepare; nothing else!
ucbalumnus: Yes I agree…if she’s taking it from a college or other high school aren’t all transcripts required for 9-12 when you apply to college? That was my point about not reporting to the high school unless you want credit or replacement credit…I don’t think that matters, but I thought colleges/unis required all transcripts?
Most have language something like this: You must arrange to have sent an official, final high school transcript (showing your date of graduation) and any college/university official transcripts sent to the campus where you plan to enroll.
@collegeandi Thank you. Most of what you wrote have already been answered… I repeated a number of times that I have gotten some practical answers early on.
I don’t see how enrolling a kid in a summer school can become a debate of ethical issue, legal cheating. unfair cheating…nature vs nurture…
thank you. I don’t think the above was NOT part of my post. If you feel strongly about it, may I suggest you to run for BOE in YOUR district to set it as a policy…or start a new thread with ucbalumnus to address “ethical” issue.
As an aside, my HS knew about my kids taking summer classes.
@annamom, please try to look beyond the debate. As a parent I would try to evaluate if I am preparing my C beyond getting in the college and in the desired major. How will the student survive the rigor if the extra help is NOT available? If you are confident enough of the next steps, please ignore what I say here.
True you can lock the thread by requesting but OP you will learn with time that threads have a way of evolving and information is often helpful to other people that are reading along. This is not so much an FAQ foruom as it is a dialogue that often hits on things tangential to the original poster’s thread. If the thread strays too far off topic the moderator will close it with or without a request from the original poster. We also try to be nice to one another.
Oddly I don’t think anyone other than the OP USD the terms “unfair advantage” or “nature vs. nurture”.
If you don’t want to listen to the substantive ideas here, @annamom , you might at least decide in future threads to be more circumspect about how you plan to game the system to make your child seem more competitive academically than she might otherwise perform.
May as well add, on an anon forum, we are what we write. That’s all we have. So if some posters don’t get the logic, sometimes a little direct clarification helps. We can’t always fill in the blanks. Don’t assume others are going on the offensive.
I think it’s possible a kid can get a jump on hs classes and later do well in those college classes. In ways, the foundation has been built. But it takes more than GPA and some ECs that seem noteworthy in one one’s own home area to get an admit to a highly competitive. Rising junior is about the time many of us started looking past what it takes to trump in our kid’s high schools and looking at what the colleges want to see.
