<p>I have a relative with CS/EE undergraduate and graduate degrees from some of the best public universities in California. He’s worked at a really wonderful company that is going gangbusters right now but he’s essentially been a house dad for the last ten years. And it’s not due to his intelligence - he’s a very smart guy. It’s due to the ability to get along with others in a team - essentially personality stuff.</p>
<p>I had the same problems that you did when I was in my 20s. But took active steps to make them past problems. Public speaking clubs shouldn’t be that hard to find. Going back to school should be an option - if only part-time. You can learn so much for free even with all of the online free college content online these days.</p>
<p>BTW, my relative had a nice inheritance so that he can live well without working. But work frequently defines a man (and woman) and it has to be a blow to his self-esteem. Do you have any kind of personal support system available?</p>
<p>I’m not sure which major is worse, but I’d imagine english majors have it better than math majors when it comes to finding jobs. English majors presumably have a way with words, and can probably use their verbal abilities to talk their way into jobs they are not necessarily qualified for.</p>
You’re splitting hairs here. The important point is that you’re saying those that are/were slackers during their college years are now much better off than you. My point is that they obviously weren’t/aren’t that big of slackers if they’ve done well for themselves. YOU may have thought they were slackers but their success clearly speaks for itself in that department. </p>
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I seriously doubt that’s the case. If they’re still in profession at that age then it’s clearly because they like what they do for a living… I doubt money has much to do with it. </p>
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Well being smart is great but it’s only one part of the many parameters required to be successful. Nobody is going to pay a smart person to work for a company if the only skill they offer is intelligence. It’s no secret and everyone’s been telling you that across all your many threads… figure out what you want to do, find out what skills you need to get there, and then go out and work on building up those skills. </p>
<p>Maybe you need some more schooling, maybe some practice with “life skills”, but the one thing that’s for sure is that constantly just whining on this forum is guaranteed to get you nowhere. </p>
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Again, your “slacker friends” clearly weren’t slacking off as much as you seem to think they were. And, as you’ve been told many times there’s a lot more to making yourself attractive to top employers that just good grades… it takes a lot more than that. An employer will take a well rounded individual with slightly lower grades over someone with higher grades (and not much else) anyday. That’s nothing new. </p>
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I seriously doubt that the situation your in has much to do with your major, or your school. I have plenty of friends who did degrees in things you’d probably call “useless subjects” (for the record I certainly don’t think math is useless) but still did very well for themselves. </p>
<p>Why? Well, for one because they recognized that to succeed one needs more than just a piece of paper from a decent school… you need skills, you need to make yourself marketable to employers and they worked hard to go out and gain those skills and make themselves marketable both during school and after graduation. What they didn’t do is pout, sit around feeling sorry for themselves and whine about it on an internet forum. You’ve got a lot of good advice across your many threads… use it.</p>
quit looking at Math with contempt. Are you devaluing math particularly or you have the tendency to depreciate everything that attached to you?</p>
<p>Not everyone on earth could handle math, it has its own significance. Why every single country in the world teaches math? why math is the fundamental subject in school? </p>
<p>You never forget insist on the uselessness of math, and you keep exuding negative substance out of your mouth. Admittedly, a BS in Math is nothing impressive, so is a BS/BA in physics, psychology, English, business administration.</p>
<p>now I know that the fact you are ranting on Math not because math itself, but because you happened to study Math. Had it been something else, now the topic is GPA 4.0, xyz major, top 40 schooll…</p>
<p>The mistake I see you make is not that you majored in math, but that you have no will to succeed. Successful people work like dogs behind the scenes to improve themselves, and can take a lot of pain in order to get to their destination. You, meanwhile, are unwilling to accept a job that doesn’t fit your parameters precisely and whine when nobody is loading you with job offers (where did you get the idea that this happens to college grads at any school?).</p>
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<p>Uh… according to who? English majors are not necessarily any more eloquent than math majors. You tire me with your antics, and ajoke has it on the mark. If you had been an english major, I guarantee you’d be back here cringing and crying about how that’s a useless field of study. Fact is, you yourself don’t allow yourself to succeed, not a useless paper you hang on your wall.</p>
<p>This thread fits the classic CC forum model for when someone starts a thread looking for “advice” on a situation and starts off by blaming some external forces when the “problem” most likely lies with the OP:</p>
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<li><p>Post question asking for “advice” on a situation </p></li>
<li><p>A bunch of people give some advice on the situation (generally all consistently saying essentially the same thing… usually that the OP just needs to get their act together and stop blaming other people/things)</p></li>
<li><p>The OP clearly dosen’t like what they’re being told by everyone</p></li>
<li><p>The OP starts going on about how the advice being given is all nonsense</p></li>
<li><p>Everyone keeps saying that the original advice is right on</p></li>
<li><p>Repeat steps 4 and 5 several times… possibly even start a second thread about the same situation</p></li>
<li><p>The OP gets upset and storms off</p></li>
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<p>It sounds like some people think that good jobs just happen if you major in the right field. Jobs are a lot like college-- you have to convince people that you’re the right one for the opening. The first step in this process is believing that you can do anything and then figuring out how to make that happen. If you’re waiting for a job to happen to you, you’re going to be working at McDonald’s before long. Figure out what you want to do, figure out what you need to do to make that happen, and then do it. It doesn’t always take a specific education. It does always require that you prove your ability.</p>
<p>at this point, reassurance is probably not the thing you ought to be seeking. sometimes people need to hear the truth. if you don’t get out and actually show people that you are capable of being useful, why should they even consider hiring you?! if you want reassurance, go ask your mommy if she thinks someone should hire you, but the truth is that if you don’t put the work into it, you’re going to be out on the streets before long. sorry, but it’s reality!</p>
<p>And I think you can get some decent jobs with a math major; physics and chem are liberal arts degrees as well, so unless you plan on doing things directly related to them, it’s very possible that employers will simply look at your degrees as showing certain talents and qualities such as the ability to learn.</p>
<p>And that’s the big problem. People with liberal arts degrees who don’t have leadership potential often have to settle for boring, unrewarding positions. Think crammed cubicles and the same 9-5 routine.</p>
<p>Yes, people who lack the skills necessary to do the more exciting and challenging jobs don’t get to do the more challenging and exciting jobs… that’s not a ‘problem’ that’s just life.</p>