Schools where playing soccer and studying engineering is realistic?

Amen to this! A useful tactic a player can employ is to delay delivery of their emails until around 7am on a weekday morning. That will potentially position their email towards the top of a coach’s inbox when they get to work. We also, with some creative searching, managed to get all of the coaches’ emails on staff, not just the generic “menssoccer@xxx.edu” recruiting address.

I would contend that all the crazy travel and interaction with adults left any bubble wrap far behind. If anything, my son’s drive disrupted my life in the pursuit of his passion. At 15 I could drop him in any airport with a fist full of cash and he could navigate his way home. Eventually we sent him on cross country trips with his team by himself. The coaches were obviously there, but he took his roommates shopping, and cooked meals for them, especially those players on scholarship that didn’t have much money. We didn’t pamper our child, and he can function anywhere at this point.

Now, to the notion of some idyllic athletic outcome, that almost never happens. He tore his ACL in training during his senior fall season. That was terrible. He redshirted his freshman year at college. That wasn’t ideal. He’s finally back to full strength and he’s fighting for playing time while juggling things like anatomy class/lab, physics class/lab, chemistry class/lab, and a D1 athletic schedule. He’s played a lot of golf with his teammates. They find time to attend a party, or two. :wink: But he works his butt off all the time. It’s hard. When you find yourself on a good team there is no easy pathway to success. He loves every minute of the competition. I think he’s nuts.

This x100. Freshman year he sent an update per quarter with academic and athletic information. It was a form email he added the coaches to, with one school specific sentence about a game outcome, or a news item grabbed from their social media, or website. Sophomore year Covid hit and there was obviously less to email about, but he still kept in touch. Junior year was a lot of updating, to include rehab info, but the funnel had narrowed and he was only emailing about 20 schools. Before the end of the spring of his senior year he was committed.

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My daughter will be competing at the worlds competition this spring for her sport. She is very organized and committed. Some of her teammates have been competing at this high level since 7th and 8th grade.

I see little harm in writing a few emails but I’m not banking on my kids physicality to pay their way through college in 8th grade. Just like I wouldn’t bank on my kid getting into an Ivy because they had a 4.0 in middle school.

The homework of starting a college list should be for fun, not serious at this point. And more importantly to me would be the vibe of the coach and the team which you won’t know for a couple more years. I would rather find the right fit for my kid to thrive mentally, academically, and physically versus just bragging about rankings. But then again, I don’t live in an ego driven competitive area.

I don’t have specific schools to suggest, but do have some thoughts on an approach just as food for thought.

When you dive into the world of highly selective college admissions, it can make your head spin when you see students elbowing each other aside to collect more AP scores, more research projects, more national prizes, etc. Scads of high school students apparently already accomplished everything an undergrad is taught in order to get INTO undergrad.

Likewise, when you dive into the world of athletic recruiting, it can make your head spin when you see students vying for spots on the “best” club teams, creating the slickest highlight reels, attending the most showcases to be seen by the “right” coaches.

It can start to feel like everything is so high-stakes and everyone else’s kid is somehow “ahead” of yours. Don’t get sucked in and try to keep your kid from getting sucked in.

BOTH processes can become a full-time job for students (and parents). For a student who is talented in both areas, it can be overwhelming.

My first suggestion is to try to remain objective and not get caught up in the rat race of what other families are doing. You are wise to be thinking about the academic potential of schools now, including the availability of engineering.

The majority of my kid’s teammates went on to play at college. (She chose not to.) But most of them are not at strong D1 programs, even if they started out there. Many are at schools they NEVER would have attended if not for athletics — or are now at their third such school, with mixed results. Everyone SAYS not to attend somewhere you would not want to go if you couldn’t play, but in practice I found most kids couldn’t walk away from a sport they were “great” at and it was not so easy to match a place on a team with an ideal academic/ geographic/etc. fit. I also note that if athletics is driving the bus, there is a higher chance a student will transfer schools along the way, which can make completion of an engineering degree and co-ops even more challenging.

My second note is to be aware that coaches and expectations change. While Stanford may have had engineering majors on its teams over the years, I also know students who visited and were told by the coach at the time: “If you want to major in engineering, you can’t play here.” Your best bet is to find a school where there is historically a steady stream of engineering majors, but consider what would happen with a coaching change. Ask the current coach about it when you visit.

Along those lines, consider how much you want to rely on an athletic scholarship. If your student is injured or decides continuing on the team is incompatible with academic goals, can he still afford to attend? (I note that top students at D1 schools still get academic scholarships to spread out the athletic scholarship money further, but at the tippy top academic schools, the student might depend almost entirely on an athletic scholarship.)

Faced with the two-pronged college admissions analysis, my child ultimately took a very narrow approach to athletic recruiting. She first decided she wanted to be in a certain geographic region and narrowed her search, camps, tournaments, etc., to that area. Then she made a list of the schools in that area that offered what she wanted in academic programs.

That slashed the list considerably. All the D2 schools were out. It became clear she was not going to be recruitable at any of the D1 schools on her list. In the end, there were about eight D3 schools left, which was a much more manageable number for contacting coaches, etc.

It also meant that there was a much higher chance she would not get an offer to play at any of them, compared to teammates using a shotgun approach. (However, I do think her coach contacts may have been higher quality and more consistent than theirs, which worked in her favor.)

But she was firm in having academics drive the bus — that was the point of going to college. In the end, she did receive an offer at her top-choice D3, but decided not to play after all because she wanted a bigger school experience with some more specialized academic programs than the D3 offered. Maybe she was leaning that way all along before she could admit it to herself and that’s why she was willing to narrow her list in the first place. I don’t know for sure.

Regardless, I am glad that she prioritized her academic experience over her athletic experience. Her former teammates are getting four more years to pursue the sport they love, but many are not setting themselves up well for the next 40 years of their careers. However, I am also glad that her athletic lens allowed her to avoid getting sucked into the hamster wheel of APs/internships/research/academic competitions that put undue academic pressure on some of her classmates.

It is quite the tightrope walk. Best wishes to you.

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According to College Navigator, there are 203 colleges that have varsity men’s soccer and a bachelor’s degree in mechanical engineering (one of the most common engineering fields, but sufficient to eliminate many programs that only have general engineering). Here’s the list. You can filter by admissions rates, size of school, locations, etc.

Glancing through, the schools where I think it would be more realistic to do both soccer and engineering are primarily schools that tend to have a pretty heavy focus on STEM fields:

  • Cal Tech
  • Carnegie Mellon
  • Case Western
  • Clarkson
  • Colorado School of Mines
  • Florida Institute of Technology
  • Milwaukee School of Engineering
  • Missouri University of Science and Technology (S&T)
  • New Jersey Institute of Technology
  • Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
  • South Dakota School of Mines and Technology
  • Stevens Institute of Technology
  • SUNY Polytechnic Institute
  • U. of Rochester
  • Virginia Tech
  • Wentworth Institute of Technology

All this said, however, players who are truly focused and dedicated on doing both have far more options than these. But these are some schools where I think coaches would be most amenable/experienced in dealing with this combination of interests.

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Keep in mind, prior to the explosion of NIL deals, athletes transferred schools at a rate similar to non-athletes.

Scholarships? It’s highly likely your child won’t get any, or very little athletic money.

Academics should always be the primary focus, but my rookie LEO son makes more than graduating engineers. STEM isn’t always a ticket to a financial windfall. My soccer son is studying to be a PT. He’ll never earn what I do in a very low tech sales profession. People make their own chances in life.

Let your son drive the bus. Don’t push anything, but hold on tight if he nudges you onto the recruiting treadmill.

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I would agree that most large D1 universities, such as the large state universities are D1 and typically have very good engineering programs.

However as @Aimlesscat1 correctly points out, there are many fine D3 engineering schools. And depending on the sport, the Ivy’s are somewhat in between a top D1 sports school and D3.

Just to clarify, those first two statements are not the same. @SpartanDad123 most engineering schools worth attending are at schools with D1 athletics. You said if they have D1 athletics, the most likely have good engineering programs.

I think there are plenty of good flagship engineering programs at schools with D1 athletics. The first statement insinuates they are nearly all there though. I would strongly disagree with that. In addition to @Aimlesscat1’s list, I’d add Rose Hulman, Harvey Mudd, MIT, Cooper Union, Caltech, and Olin.

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My kid was very very very clear on an academic path…until end of 10th. Then switched. Not to say all do that, but I would never have predicted at all.

If your kid is in 8th this is very early to be thinking about specific college lists IMO…And if they are D1 bound, they are going to have to narrow list by where wants them, as well as what they want to do. In fact I know someone D1 bound for a major sport who didn’t pick it up until 9th grade (for real).

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St. Olaf. Only for 1 sport. No engineering, though.

RIT is another school where the majority of their players are engineering majors. We loved the coach for S23’s sports . The main one was very clear that your FIRST hurdle was being able to be admitted to the school/major and that there was little he could do if you didn’t meet their standards. I don’t know about soccer, but for my son’s sport, the coach got a kick out of all the “hacks” and “analysis” done by the engineering students. He definitely saw them as students and people first, rather than pieces to be used for his end goal. His secondary sport’s coach was also exactly the kind of coach you’d want for your kid in such an intense sport.

The thing with recruiting is that those coaches may not even still be there or might not have been there by his senior year, but I felt it said something about the school hiring coaches that were committed to student-athletes as students and people rather than just their win/loss record. (And I’m usually turned off by coaches who want to tell you that they are “role models” and “mentors” because, when it comes down to it, my kid has not played for many guys that I’d want him to see as role models even though they are constantly talking/ posting about “shaping young minds”).

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I don’t know how soccer recruiting works, but middle school seems early. This is what I would have my kid focus on for now:

Make sure he knows that the better his academics are, the more opportunities he will have when it comes time. Grades don’t have to be perfect, but he should strive to have a HS transcript he is proud of. Don’t rely on soccer to get into the school he wants.

Focus on looking at archetypes, not specific schools for now. Large, small; urban, suburban, rural; liberal arts, research university; public, private. My son’s preference changed dramatically from when we started to look (his sport did, too!)

There is relatively little money in men’s soccer, even for very strong players.

The coach at probably 75% of the schools will change before he graduates from college. Identify interest for school, program, and coach–in that order, because that is the order of permanence.

Interest in engineering is a good start for now, but it might change. Don’t get too hung up on the specific type of engineering. The suggestion of tracking ME programs is a good one. Certainly don’t pay too much attention to niche disciplines.

Many coaches will not accept engineering majors on their teams. My son found out that a couple of Ivy League coaches for track would not use a slot on an engineering student. However, many coaches are welcoming of engineering students. Sometimes the rosters shown on the internet identify majors. Look for schools that have engineers on the team.

Find some parents of older soccer players to track. Parents will (should) get a little quiet in junior and senior years to keep things under wraps. However, once their kids commit, many will be happy to share what they learned with you.

In hindsight, a kid’s athletic career goes by very fast. Make sure you appreciate it, and make sure that they enjoy it.

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Right now, he doesn’t seem to be interested in going pro. Again, that could change.

They usually send a few kids to Ivy League schools, a few to Patriot League, some years one kid on a homegrown contract to MLS, or a kid to a Big10 school, but those aren’t every year, and then a mix of D3 schools and kids who don’t continue to play in college.

The process is very similar to what @GKUnion described. His current team is a mix of 8th and 9th, so he hears the older kids talking about the process.

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That’s basically what I’m asking. Which schools are saying no engineering, and which are welcoming? I thought maybe people would have experience.

My impression is that there’s a lot of overlap between the tippy top schools academically and the tippy top schools financial aid wise. I’ve run a lot of NPC’s for an older sibling, and it seems as though, if he got into a top school, he’d get need based aid. For example, I ran a calculator at an Ivy, just out of curiosity, and the cost came in below the instate option his brother is looking at.

Am I misunderstanding? If he got less need based aid, because of an athletic scholarship, and then the athletic scholarship went away, would they reconsider need based aid for the next year?

I don’t know where you got the idea that my entire family is spending all of our time on soccer. My kid does all the things you mention, except shovel snow because we live too far South for that.

I’m a single parent, so sometimes I want other adults to bounce things off.

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I don’t think there are schools discouraging engineering + sport. There are some coaches who do so. You can’t really game that out at this point because coaches move around and/or change their preferences.

On need-based aid, yes some of the top schools have great aid. HYPSM probably the best. CMU is great for engineering, not as good as those for aid. Running the NPCs like you are is the best approach.

Need-based aid can be much better (eta: than athletic funding) for some families with kids in equivalency sports; that’s how Ivies recruit well even without athletic scholarships.

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I was not addressing need-based aid. If you qualify for sufficient need-based aid regardless of any athletic scholarships, my comment may not be relevant to you.

But if a school’s affordability depends in part on receiving a merit academic and/or athletic scholarship, then an academic scholarship that is not dependent on four years of team participation might be preferable.

We were in the “donut hole” of not qualifying for need-based aid, but also not having $320,000 per child set aside for college, either, so the merit aid was a big factor for us.

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I have never heard any school say no for engineering as a potential major for recruited athletes (some do say no for nursing and education). Of course I haven’t talked with all the schools out there about that policy…but I’ve talked to plenty.

Some coaches do say no to certain majors, including engineering majors, being on their teams and that is their prerogative. I don’t know of any current soccer coach that has this policy, that’s kind of a needle in a haystack considering how often coaches change jobs and the relatively low proportion of posters here who have had soccer athletes go thru the process recently. That’s just something your student is going to have to find out thru his research.

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Was he a social work major? (Probably one of the more applicable college majors for the profession.)

Though a social worker of last resort, he was not a social work major. He earned a BS in an intelligence related major.