Science-Religion. Which wins?

Pre-College Topics High School Life
1981

<p>lol pretty good. Have you been fasting?</p>

1982

<p>All right. Well, make sure to let me know when you manage the feat:]!
*Have you been fasting? *
Not intentionally at least… I kind of had other things going on so I forgot to log on and post :stuck_out_tongue: And also, I don’t think discussions are as fun now as they once were when some other posters were still around.
/digression</p>

1983

<p>^Yeah, I actually have to say thanks to Mifune. He’s very fun to have around since he turns every discussion into 150 page arguments. :D</p>

1984

<p>Wow this thread always seems to be here. It won’t ever die will it?</p>

1985

<p>^^ I had quit for like a week or two around college time, but now I’m back and posting again</p>

<p>^ one would think that every argument had been rebutted already, but somehow, it lives <em>~</em></p>

1986

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<p>I found this amusing.</p>

1987

<p>lol</p>

<p>also, I’m getting the 2000th post</p>

1988

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So you’re telling me that this will devolve into people deleting posts in an effort to rob others of that “honor” and take it for themselves?</p>

1989

<p>^Of course not :rolleyes:. CPA has established that that “honor” belongs to CPA :cool:.</p>

<p>Dear mifune et al, </p>

<p>Sorry for digressions that have occurred on this thread (perhaps as a result of our recent participation) :o.</p>

<p>Yours sincerely, </p>

<p>Calico</p>

1990

<p>Someone should do a summary of all that has been accomplished in this 50 page thread. Perhaps MosbyMarion? :stuck_out_tongue: That way it doesn’t get too redundant.</p>

<p>And thanks for mentioning CPA. hehe.</p>

1991

<p>^But that’s the fun of it. We feign ignorance,and mifune writes several excessive replies that attempt to repudiate our claims, which only fuels our passion.</p>

<p>:D</p>

1992

<p>It just sounds futile to me.</p>

1993

<p>Meadow!!!</p>

<p>And yeah, this thread is pointless.</p>

1994

<p>HarryJones!!</p>

<p>lol I hope that is who I think it is.</p>

1995

<p>Let’s kill the argument.</p>

1996

<p>Agreed dude.^ It doesn’t seem to be going anywhere.</p>

1997

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<p>Geocentrism, while independently shared by other primitive cultures and religious traditions, was unequivocally endorsed by biblical authors, as it was for nearly every individual who gave any thought to the matter. It wasn’t until objective evidence influenced more liberal interpretations of the Bible. To say that the Bible isn’t a source of geocentric cosmology is untenable. The precise sequence of geocentric chronicle is irrelevant. From the Bible:</p>

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<p>Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, “Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon.” And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. (Joshua 10:12-13
)</p>

<p>The sun and moon stood still in their habitation at the light of thine arrows as they sped, at the flash of thy glittering spear. (Habakkuk 3:11)</p>

<p>yet their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes forth like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and like a strong man runs his course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them; and there is nothing hid from its heat. (Psalms 19:4-6)</p>

<p>tremble before him, all earth; yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved. (1 Chronicles 16:30
)</p>

<p>The Lord reigns; he is robbed in majesty; the lord is robbed, he is girded with strength. Yea, the world is established; it shall never be moved. (Psalms 93:1)</p>

<p>Say among the nations, “The Lord reigns! Yea, the world is established, it shall never be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity.” (Psalms 96:10)</p>

<p>Then the channels of the sea were seen, the foundations of the world were laid bare, at the rebuke of the Lord at the blast of the breath of his nostrils. (2 Samuel 22:16)</p>

<p>Then the channels of the sea were seen, and the foundations of the world were laid bare, at thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils. (Psalms 18:15)</p>

<p>Of old thou didst lay the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of thy hands. (Psalms 102:25)</p>

<p>When he established the heavens, I was there, when he drew a circle on the face of the deep, when he made firm the skies above, when he established the fountains of the deep, when he assigned to the sea its limit, so that the waters might not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth (Proverbs 8:27-29)</p>

<p>He raises up the poor from the dust; he lifts the needy from the ash heap, to make them sit with princes and inherit a seat of honor. For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, and on them he has set the world. (1 Samuel 2:8)</p>

<p>Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements – surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? On what were its bases sunk, or who laid its cornerstone? (Job 38:4-6)</p>

<p>For he looks to the ends of the earth, and sees everything under the heavens. (Job 28:24)</p>

<p>The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. (Daniel 4:10-11)</p>

<p>Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them (Matthew 4:8) (Even if assuming such inanity were true, the other hemisphere would remain concealed.)</p>

<p>as far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us. (Psalms 103:12)</p>

<p>And the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other; and there you shall serve other gods, of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known. (Deuteronomy 28:64
)</p>

<p>His firstling bull has majesty, and his horns are the horns of a wild ox; with them he shall push the peoples, all of them, to the ends of the earth; such are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and such are the thousands of Manasseh. (Deuteronomy 33:17
)</p>

<p>The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to pieces; against them he will thunder in heaven. The Lord will judge the ends of the earth; he will give strength to his king, and exalt the power of his anointed. (1 Samuel 2:10
)</p>

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For he looks to the ends of the earth, and sees everything under the heavens. (Job 28:24)</p>

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that it might take hold of the skirts of the earth, and the wicked be shaken out of it? (Job 38:13)</p>

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yet their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes forth like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and like a strong man runs his course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them; and there is nothing hid from its heat. (Psalms 19:4-6)</p>

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All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the Lord; and all the families of the nations shall worship before him. (Psalms 22:27)</p>

<p>He makes wars cease to the end of the earth; he breaks the bow and shatters the spear, he burns the chariots with fire! (Psalms 46:9
)</p>

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As thy name, O God, so thy praise reaches to the ends of the earth. Thy right hand is filled with victory; (Psalms 48:10)</p>

<p>consume them in wrath, consume them till they are no more, that men may know that God rules over Jacob to the ends of the earth; (Psalms 59:13
)</p>

<p>from the end of the earth I call to thee, when my heart is faint. Lead thou me to the rock that is higher than I; (Psalms 61:2
)</p>

<p>By dread deeds thou dost answer us with deliverance, O God of our salvation, who art the hope of all the ends of the earth, and of the farthest seas; (Psalms 65:5
)</p>

<p>You whom I took from the ends of the earth, and called from its farthest corners, saying to you, “You are my servant, I have chosen you and not cast you off” (Isaiah 41:9
)</p>

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When he utters his voice there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he makes the mist rise from the ends of the earth. (Jeremiah 51:16)</p>

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The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole earth. (Daniel 4:10-11)</p>

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And then they will send out the angels, and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven. (Mark 13:27)</p>

<p>Under the whole heaven he lets it go, and his lightning to the corners of the earth. (Job 37:3
)</p>

<p>He will raise an ensign for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. (Isaiah 11:12
)</p>

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It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in; (Isaiah 40:22)</p>

<p>you whom I took from the ends of the earth, and called from its farthest corners, saying to you, “You are my servant, I have chosen you and not cast you off”; (Isaiah 41:9
)
And you, O son of man, thus says the Lord God to the land of Israel: An end! The end has come upon the four corners of the land. (Ezekiel 7:2
)</p>

<p>After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on the earth or sea or against any tree. (Revelation 7:1
)</p>

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And will come out to deceive the nations which are at the four corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. (Revelation 20:8)</p>

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<p>To view one of the most deluded websites on the Internet, click [here[/url</a>].</p>

<p>In fact, many Americans still believe in geocentrism. Over one-in-five Americans does not believe that the Earth orbits the sun; eighteen percent are deluded into the opposite belief; three percent “aren’t sure.”</p>

<p>[url=<a href=“New Poll Gauges Americans' General Knowledge Levels”>New Poll Gauges Americans' General Knowledge Levels]New</a> Poll Gauges Americans’ General Knowledge Levels](<a href=“http://christianastronomy.org/]here[/url”>http://christianastronomy.org/)</p>

<p>The Bible has absolutely zero relevance when pertaining to the accurate systematic understandings. It stupendously fails with scientifically established findings even at the most elementary level. The Bible is so utterly fouled up when it comes to our current factual accumulation that to teach the Scriptural record as inerrant and infallibly correct with reference to objective matters is downright preposterous. Those with the lunatic zeal to suggest that Scripture should influence science education and adopt the authority to dictate what does and does not constitute science have some unmissable mental irregularity.</p>

1998

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<p>You are clearly indoctrinated into your belief in the infallibility of Islam. That’s indisputable. You don’t find anything wrong with your faith because you have been proselytized into believing it from a very young age, not because it has any sort of legitimate factual validity. If you were born in ancient Scandinavia you would believe in Thor and Odin; if you grew up in the Mayan culture, you’d believe in Ekchuah and Coquenexo; if you had been reared in a particular portion of central Africa, you’d believe in the great juju up the mountain. The possibilities are endless. You believe in Islam purely because of historical accident and early indoctrination, not because of some substantive justification for the Qur’an’s genuine nature or any actual evidence showing Allah to exist.</p>

<p>And yes, I would say that I am very much more educated on Islam than the average folk. The Qur’an, like any other form of religious scripture, is a text of which there is absolutely no reason to accept as fact, even on account of historical detail. Secondly, the Qur’an exudes of violence. There are, at minimum, 109 verses that summon Muslims to war with heathens/infidels/nonbelievers. Many of the passages are explicitly grotesque, with the mass murder of nonconformists wherever they happen to be present with beheadings and severing of other body parts. Muslims who do not participate are deemed hypocrites and ordained by Allah to the fiery abyss if they do not partake in the extermination. Alas, there are very few verses of forbearance that repudiate those that espouse dissenters to be degraded, converted, or dispatched. Thankfully, the overwhelming majority of Muslims today don’t accept the Qur’an for what it says in its entirety (similar to the Old Testament). But with its strong proclivity towards brutality, it certainly isn’t surprising that fundamentalist, extremist sects of Islam have come to preponderate the face of modern-day terrorism.</p>

1999

<p>[God</a> did not create the Universe](<a href=“http://www.physorg.com/news202663530.html]God”>God did not create Universe: Hawking), according to Stephen Hawking.</p>

<p>I apologize if this has been posted, but this came out recently. Now, I need someone smarter than me to read the book and explain what this means.</p>

2000

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<p>No, to say that there is no scientific evidence of abiogenesis is a profound indication scientific illiteracy or religious indoctrination (“God did it”). </p>

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<p>It isn’t an assumption that there was no oxygen in the early atmosphere.</p>

<p>[The</a> atmosphere - origin and structure](<a href=“http://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~cfjps/1400/atmos_origin.html]The”>http://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~cfjps/1400/atmos_origin.html)</p>

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<p>Have you read every single one of my posts in this thread? I would scarcely think that you have. </p>

<p>Stephen Hawking isn’t a “nutcase.” There’s no need to personally insult him simply because cosmological science doesn’t accord with what you want to be true on account of your ideological yearnings. He made an honest assertion that it is superfluous to account for the creation of the universe by the workings of some god when the relevant science suggests otherwise. Also, there is something egregiously self-serving about the assertion that cosmology cannot assert something of a nature that has been historically intruded upon by theological inanity. </p>

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<p>Again, I would scarcely think that you have read any portion of my contributions before you joined this discussion. </p>

<p>[Why</a> Thomas Aquinas was Wrong.](<a href=“nov55.com”>nov55.com)</p>

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<p>This comment is extraordinarily ignorant. (“If my god didn’t give us morality, we would all act like animals.”)</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1065075512-post715.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1065075512-post715.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>The greater portion of this entire paragraph is a jumble of garbled, halfwitted, non-evidenced, abstract, sweeping generalities that follow a patently infantile line of reasoning. Scientists don’t obtain great pleasure from their work? Non-religious scientists feel empty? Non-religious people aren’t happy? Your reasoning is completely asinine and mentally unsound. </p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1065510958-post1756.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1065510958-post1756.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;