Science-Religion. Which wins?

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<p>Read them in their entirety. “Four corners of the Earth” is not exactly congruent with a modern-day understanding of astronomy.</p>

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<p>I never said that the initial articulation of geocentrism was uttered in the Bible. Biblical authors clearly endorsed geocentrism (see previously posted excerpts) and modern-day geocentric ideology, shared by one-in-five Americans, is predominantly derived from Biblical literalist asseveration.</p>

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<p>This statement is largely true. Theists typically have a separate concept of what constitutes logical discourse, evidence, and proof (i.e. indiscriminately believing in the divine inspiration of their particular holy book while maintaining skeptical outlook on the supernatural influence of the Scripture from competing religions; bemoaning how they don’t want to (or can’t) understand the underlying physics behind cosmic inflation and thus resort to the default that “God did it” without explaining how their notion of a creator was made and what mechanism the supernatural has to obtain and design matter).</p>

<p>Here is a reading from a course that I am currently taking:</p>

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<p>[Science/AAAS</a> | Science Magazine](<a href=“http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/313/5788/765]Science/AAAS”>http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/313/5788/765)</p>

<p>Anyways, if you are here to post a set of replies, MosbyMarion, I will read your responses later.</p>

<p>So you assume that very few theists have had formal educations in logic or are scientific in any way?</p>

<p>The vast majority of human beings and the majority of scientists have been theists, incidentally. And yes, I suppose that means that most have not had formal educations in logic, but that goes for humans in general. Because the group of theists is so large, you are generalizing to the whole in an unjustifiable manner. Man, don’t you wish atheists used logic? (note: that was an intentionally ironic statement used to point out the logical fallacy. In no way am I seriously generalizing to the whole of atheists, though the group is much smaller)</p>

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<p>That makes four. Every time I’ve given the same answer. I’m still waiting for you to demenstrate exactly which part of my argument asks you to understand the world not through evidence but from “mind-shrinking, fundamentalist, biblical mythology”.</p>

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<p>I did, or at least enough to recognize the verses I expected you would list. Four Corners of the Earth:</p>

<h1>1: Makes perfect sense given that the Isrealites were in the Middle East, so their known world really did have four corners (Europe, Africa, Asia, and India).</h1>

<h1>2: Used in poetry and prophecy, in the metaphorical sense of “all of it”.</h1>

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<p>That’s ok, I still have to read some of your more recent posts, and I probably won’t have time to reply to them all today since I have to go get indoctrinated and brainwashed at church tonight. :P</p>

<p>Well, people wrote the Bible as an interpretation of their religious experiences. If the people believed that the Earth was flat, then they would have written that. Just because a religious person is wrong does not mean that religion is wrong.</p>

<p>Both are important.</p>

<p>Science is the entity of understanding and logic. It can be represented by number and can be measured.</p>

<p>Religion is the unknown, faith, and hope. It shows us something we cannot see and it cannot be measured. </p>

<p>You need both so you can compare them to each other. </p>

<p>Without religion we have no hope. Hope is how we do our experiments. Without science we become reliant on other deities and cannot think for ourselves.</p>

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<p>I hope that you don’t mean that. (But wait: how could I, not being religious, do that?)</p>

<p>^ We’re arguing that you are religious, just not in the usual theistic moralistic sense.</p>

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<p>Then what relevant sense is left?</p>

<p>^ The sense that you believe that some situations/things/actions are “good”, and others are “bad”, and therefore are able to hope that the “good” things will happen and the “bad” things won’t.</p>

<p>^ I’m pretty sure I’m missing something here, since I never read any of these posts… but I don’t see at all how that’s religious.</p>

<p>^ If you were truly nonreligious, then there would be no reason to believe that one configuration of matter and energy is “better” than another, since there’s really no more difference between a happy person and a sad person than between a smiling statue and a frowning statue: both are simply matter and energy in states which have been arbitrarily assigned labels.</p>

<p>^ I still don’t see what that has to do with being religious, if you believe that something is better than something else. </p>

<p>What do you mean by happy person and sad person anyway? Are you referring to someone’s disposition or attitude?</p>

<p>I think science and religion coexist. Science confirms religion. For example, biblical translations have shown that people theorized about a round world long before Copernicus.</p>

<p>I believe in evolution because creationism is quite far-fetched as many sciences are intertwined in the fact that the Earth is billions of years old.</p>

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This conclusion was reached early on by those rational members of society. Then the thread became “Atheism vs. Theism”.</p>