<p>People who work in dangerous environments like mining, oil rigs, prisons and mills are generally compensated well above the prevailing wage for a service employee in their area (if such jobs exist) and that’s why the risk/reward calculation tells them to go down in the mines. A retail sales or beverage service position in an urban area is likely not rare enough or well compensated enough to make most perceived risks worthwhile. </p>
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<p>Or because they jogged in his general vicinity before he was febrile. Or because you live in the same apartment building but haven’t been near the guy.</p>
<p>I would think that a hospital could insist on transferring an ebola patient if they felt they were not capable of providing good care in a safe manner. But a walk in person complaining of ebola like symptoms who states that they just returned from Guinea, Sierra Leone, or Liberia cannot legally be turned away for the reason that the hospital doesn’t want to take care of an ebola patient.</p>
<p>"Someone earlier seemed to think that New Yorkers were too sophisticated or too educated, or too some other quality to panic, and I thought, “hmm, we’ll see.”</p>
<p>That was me, but not because they are too sophisticated or too educated (which I never said.) It’s just an attitude that people have who live in the city. I can’t explain it or put a word to it. </p>
<p>I expect this morning that most New Yorkers are going to go about their day - with hundred of thousands riding the same subway lines as the doctor took (and I would shocked if the MTA is going to pull the cars from those lines.)</p>
<p>“It makes better sense for certain hospitals to be identified as able to take an ebola patient, not the other way around.” </p>
<p>There are 8 designated hospitals in NYS at the moment. </p>
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<p>I agree. The Dallas HCW are self isolating and forbidden from travel because there was an obvious breach in the protocol that clearly endangered the caregivers, or perhaps as has been asserted, the wrong protocol from the get go. In any case, there is a legitimate reason for their isolation policies. But do they make the Emory nurses quarantine themselves for 21 days after caring for an ebola patient? If HCW in the US are wearing the proper PPE, are following protocol, and practicing self monitoring practices, there should be no talk of mandatory quarantines. Otherwise, the pool of willing/volunteer HCW is going to evaporate.</p>
<p>That said, I also wonder what the guy was thinking IF he was actually feeling ill on Wednesday. </p>
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<p>I have no idea what you are talking re a realtor. Rather interesting that you know what my insurance companies are saying, given the fact that I am not a realtor. This is the equivalent of knowing the impact on the Dallas economy by looking out the window and seeing bustling. But. of course, you are welcome to your opinion, as it free and devoid of liability. </p>
<p>Specifically though, the new clauses, issued as an addendum to current policies in place, has to do specifically with employees who may become exposed DUE TO specific business activity. That makes sense. For example, some private airplanes are no longer covered to privately fly anyone in or out hot zone countries. And no public airplane travel either to that zone - without quarantine measures put in place after. That simple. There are other restrictions as well. It is up to companies to explain to employees, who get their insurance (health, life, etc.) from the company what the restrictions are. </p>
<p>Such as with other things we have seen, insurance companies are playing catch-up and writing addendums to make sure employees do not do things that raises exposure and liability. That is part of their job, especially if a company’s activities represents something beyond the standard risk factor. Being a doctor in a hot zone country is eons beyond the normal risk factors. </p>
<p>This is no different than our car insurance company issuing addendums mid-year that my car in Europe was no longer covered while driving around the Arc de Triomphe in Paris and in the then East Germany. And this was after I was doing that for some time. Never got the reason for that, but could not even buy extra coverage for it from the car insurance company, so had to pay to place that under a european umbrella policy. </p>
<p>I cut my finger the other day while chopping vegetables. It’s healed enough now that I don’t wear a bandage but it’s not completely closed. I know that I would NOT want to stick that finger into the hole on the bowling ball that this doctor was using the other night. I can think of a couple of bodily fluids that he may have touched with his hand that could have transferred to that bowling ball.</p>
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<p>Yeah, that’s why I included the term “or too some other quality,” because it wasn’t clear to me what you meant.</p>
<p>Bloomberg news is reporting that Bellevue hospital is rather quiet for a Friday morning, not as many patients as usual. I don’t think people are hysterical necessarily not to go to Bellevue just they are thinking that why go there when there are other hospitals they can go.</p>
<p>How long does it take to get the fever up to 103? I’d think he must have had a low grade fever before that. Didn’t Pham and Vinson had fever below 100 when they notified the authorities?</p>
<p>Liability coverage for an office rental doesnt spell that out. And if you are going to be picky, its ebola, not enola. Enola is a city in PA and the enola gay was a plane.</p>
<p>And now you are changing your post, talking about what addendums might be added to FUTURE policies. We are talking about CURRENT situations. Some homeowner policies added an exclusion for mold because they were watching their almighty dollar. I find that distasteful.</p>
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<p>Maybe they should. Who would have thought Bridal salon or Bowling Alley would be ebola related.</p>
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<p>People have figured that out.</p>
<p>Hysterical is just another way of saying I think you are stupid in your reactions, but if you are right, no big deal to me because I am off the hook for responsibility. It is a word people use when they have no skin in the game, as the ultimate payer for a bad outcome. So, it is just a name-calling freebie. </p>
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<p>Watching CNN right now. The NY Dept. of Health doctor just stated that the doctor’s temperature was 100.3 when he immediately reported, not 103.0. She stated categorically that the news media got it wrong and that people are incorrectly just passing that number off as though fact. It is clinically a very different presentation.</p>
<p>Thanks for the update, Nrdsb4. Amazing how erroneous information spreads like wildfire. </p>
<p>“Yeah, that’s why I included the term “or too some other quality,” because it wasn’t clear to me what you meant.”</p>
<p>Ok. </p>
<p>IIRC, somewhere on this thread Frugaldoctor said that if he was asked to treat an Ebola patient and there was a mandatory 21 quarantine he would refuse and I believe he said he thought so would most other HCW. That is the last thing we want to happen. </p>
<p>It is also in our best interest to do nothing which will discourage HCW from volunteering it West Africa. Unfortunately, I think we (the collective we) are going to go ahead with something silly like that. Be careful what you wish you. </p>
<p>Governor Cuomo confirmed the Dr.'s temperature was 100.3, not 103.</p>
<p>So the NYC cops wore masks & gloves when they went up to the doctor’s apartment. Then they came back out to the street and threw the masks & gloves into the open wire mesh trash can on the sidewalk.
It’s a good thing the apartment is probably Ebola free because that is just wroooooong.</p>
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<p>Nah, sometimes it means just what it means.</p>
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<p>One of the Presby Dallas docs who does procedures at my endoscopy center has a nurse who does NOT do patient care at Presby Dallas, but sees patients in his office. She has had no exposure whatsoever to anyone sick with any kind of infectious disease.</p>
<p>However, her baby’s childcare center has refused to accept the infant because they don’t want the other infants exposed to ebola. </p>
<p>That is extremely irrational. Sometimes the shoe really does fit.</p>