<p>The spanish nurse had gotten worse and then got better. Still in critical condition. I hope the Texas nurse fares better. The response this time was great. She called and taken away all in less than 90 minutes.</p>
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<p>Typical straw man.</p>
<p>Let me rewrite this for you - “It is my contention that we can build a highly effective, reduced-risk bubble around the country.” </p>
<p>I seriously wonder why the concept of risk reduction and risk mitigation are lost on some people. Businesses do it all the time to contain costs. However, for government and public policy, the argument seems to be for us it is either all or nothing. Very strange logic.</p>
<p>The Texas nurse will at least have the benefit of immediate care, unlike Duncan or the Spanish nurse. Thanks to her fever monitoring being taken seriously.</p>
<p>Here’s an argument I’ve heard against the travel ban. As has been written, people can get around it. As has been countered, yes, but less people. The problem here, though, is that without a ban, we will know who the people are who are coming from that area. With a ban, by definition they’ll be slipping in un-noticed, hence we are less likely to monitor and keep track of them. So, less entrants, but also less official awareness of who/where they are.</p>
<p>How would they slip in unnoticed? Most of Africa has banned flights coming from the hot zone. And as for being humanitarian, the money being spent here on hazmat suits, decontamination, taking care of the sick, the false alarms, and all the rest would be better spent on putting aid on military or chartered flights into the hot zone. Yes, DWB would have to plan the travel of their workers to be on chartered flights. But there is nothing humane about exposing Americans to a deadly disease. </p>
<p>How will they slip in unnoticed? It’s not like the Mexican border, meaning they still need airlines and passports and Visas. But, it’s not as though anyone is monitoring or tracking them anyway. The most generous version of Duncan’ts story has him planning to overstay a Visa and marry a citizen to start a new life in the US. I f there was tracking that couldn’t happen. </p>
<p>Take a bus to Ivory Coast or Senegal or wherever. My H did it when he was in the Peace Corps in Liberia.</p>
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<p>This argument makes no sense. And someone made something up when said this.</p>
<p>Simply, even with the people we know who come, there is no program to track them anywhere or to monitor their health or anything. We are not a gestapo state. Since there is no health tracking program, the less the better.</p>
<p>Plus, people who slip in would not go unnoticed, but would not matter since we do not track. They still need a visa and passport, thus we know where they are from. It is just that they got around any ban. So what? No policy is 100% effective, but 80 - 85% efficacy is better than instituting 0% efficacy.</p>
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<p>See post #228. Your H did not come back unnoticed. And he was an American citizen at the time there was no ban. So, what he did at the time is irrelevant. </p>
<p>Anyway, the point of a ban is not to stop all, but it make it harder to get here and make the costs of getting here higher. </p>
<p>In other interesting (well, to me at least) news: NBC News reporter Nancy Snyderman agreed to live under “voluntary quarantine” since she and her news team returned from Liberia. Apparently, she has violated that “voluntary quarantine” (she went out to get some carry-out soup!) and is now in mandatory quarantine. Remember, one member of her crew WAS diagnosed with Ebola, so she did have contact with someone who had the disease.</p>
<p>I think this is interesting because I believe there were some semi-snarky comments in the now-closed thread about Mr. Duncan, where people made comments about his family complaining about the conditions of their quarantine. If Dr Snyderman is unwilling to stay in quarantine (even though she is low-risk for the disease) - how can we expect that other scared, less-knowledgeable will behave “appropriately”?</p>
<p>Nancy Snyderman and Louise Troh are another examples of how things can get out hand. We are not regimental. </p>
<p>Yes, Dr, Nancy has some explaining to do. Especially, after going on The Today Show and discussing how she was going to responsibly self-quarantine. She was reportedly wearing big black sunglasses and probably didn’t expect to be recognized.</p>
<p>I think it’s interesting after the last meningitis outbreak, which came from a student visiting Europe, I didn’t see anyone fighting for stopping flights from Europe. And, again, that outbreak actually spread and killed people here in the US. </p>
<p>Hm, I wonder why people would be protesting about flights from Africa and not from Europe… 8-| </p>
<p>Everything has to about black and white? Life is getting boring. With meningitis, they had a vaccine. They administered it to all Princeton students. If there’s a cure or a vaccine againt Ebola, no travel ban will be necessary.</p>
<p>Romani, really? People are talking through various possibilities in a pretty reasonable manner and you come up with racism? Maybe we should say it’s racist to let people in from the affected countries now because they will disproportionately settle in and spread illness to the black communit if a significant number of infected people get through. It is not unreasonable or racist to consider what methods of breaking the chain of transmission might work or might not. Nigeria did impose flight restrictions and they have conquered the beast in their country. Maybe we should consider having their public health officials provide us with guidance.</p>
<p><a href=“South Africa Issues Travel Ban for Countries Gripped by Ebola Virus - WSJ”>http://online.wsj.com/articles/south-africa-issues-travel-ban-for-countries-hit-by-ebola-virus-outbreak-1408638457</a></p>
<p>South Africa, Kenya and other black African countries have issued travel bans. This article is from August. They were forward thinking. South Africa has no cases of Ebola. </p>
<p>The CDCs reasoning on the lack of a travel ban just makes no sense. They have issued a level 3 warning strongly advising no travel to the hot zone. But it’s okay to travel out of the hot zone. It’s illogical. </p>
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<p>Because meningitis does not have a 60 - 90% mortality rate and is really only fatal IF untreated. So treatment does work in that case. </p>
<p>And can risk can reduced significantly by washing hands and not sharing utensils. Others mentioned the vaccine issue.</p>
<p>Ebola is an entirely different beast.</p>
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<p>Actually, people have been including stopping people from flying from those countries and directly boarding a connecting flight in Europe ala the way Duncan did.</p>
<p>As has been repeatedly explained, people can take buses to other countries, then take planes to other countries, etc. before flying here. If that’s not true, okay, but that’s been said here and othrer places by people who see t know what they are talking about. Many people in the restricted countries have more than one passport, for instance. It’s better to know which flight is carrying people from the area, rather than not knowing.</p>
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<p>The reasoning is obvious, at least to me. They think we are stupid. Just that simple. </p>
<p>From day one, what the CDC was been saying and what they have been sending companies re travel is like a trip to the twilight zone. Literally, opposite of everything the guy has been saying on TV. May explain why I am not drinking the kool-aid.</p>