Second Ebola patient

[saintfan]

<p>Go Giants? </p>

[saintfan]

<p>We can all root for Joe Panik . . . what a name!</p>

[dstark]

<p><a href=“Ebola: Inside the first U.S. diagnosis - CBS News”>http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-inside-the-first-united-states-diagnosis-thomas-eric-duncan/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[jym626]

<p>Just returning after a lovely evening out. No ebola panic anywhere I went. And we have treated more ebola patients in our fair city than anywhere else in the US.</p>

<p>the comparison to astronauts is silly, as they knew their complete protocol before they elected to venture into space. This poor nurse had no clue. The protocol changed while she was in the air returning home.</p>

[Nrdsb4]

<p>In the extra minutes of the 60 minutes interview which didn’t make the show, the nurses said that two Emory nurses came to Dallas to work with them and share their expertise. I don’t believe I’d heard that before.</p>

[sally305]

<p>Good. </p>

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The White House seemed to agree with Hickox’s sentiment that Christie doesn’t have the medical authority to impose regulations that trump federal guidelines on handling Ebola patients.
A senior administration official told CNN Sunday that the White House informed Christie and New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo – who also ordered quarantine for people returning to his state from West Afrida – along with other state officials that it “has concerns with the unintended consequences of policies that are not grounded in science may have on efforts to combat Ebola at its source in West Africa.”

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<p><a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/26/politics/ebola-quarantine-christie-white-house/index.html?hpt=hp_t1”>http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/26/politics/ebola-quarantine-christie-white-house/index.html?hpt=hp_t1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[TatinG]

<p><a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/06/justice/callan-law-on-quarantine/”>http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/06/justice/callan-law-on-quarantine/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Legal expert says quarantine is legal. </p>

[Bay]

<p>Yes, of course it’s legal. But unfortunately Ms. Nurse is going to spend a lot of people’s’ money arguing that it isn’t. </p>

[Consolation]

<p>Legal, schmeagal. Science, schmience. Let’s wait until we hear from the people who write the big checks. They’re the ones who know, right?</p>

[electronblue]

<p>I really haven’t been paying much attention until this story with the nurse being held. I’m just shocked at the comments under so many articles blaming her for putting Americans at risk, etc. They seem to want to punish her. Leaves me speechless.</p>

[LasMa]

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@IxnayBob

was unfriended on FB today by an ostensibly science-friendly and aware person because I said that the nurse in Newark deserved better than what she was experiencing. Apparently the nurse is a whiner.

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<p>That’s disturbing.</p>

[LasMa]

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@Bay

LOL.

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<p>Just curious why it’s funny that 'They have kidnapped this innocent, non-contagious nurse and are jailing her in a TENT." </p>

<p>It is a fact that she’s been kidnapped (being held against her will without due process), and she is innocent (at least, no charges have been brought) and non-contagious (since, as you are well aware, non-symptomatic means non-contagious), and she is being jailed (held by authorities on a non-optional basis), and she is in a tent.</p>

<p>Did I miss it? Is there something humorous in there?</p>

[Cardinal_Fang]

<p>The legal expert says:

The court may permit quarantine authority on reasonable suspicion that such health powers are necessary to protect the public health.

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<p>“Reasonable suspicion” is the relevant phrase. The state can’t just grab any random person and quarantine them without a reason. Hickox’s lawyer is going to argue that the state of New Jersey has no “reasonable suspicion” that Hickox, who has not shown any symptoms of Ebola, is a public health threat, since scientists say that Ebola is not spread by people who are not symptomatic.</p>

[Bay]

<p>Yes it’s funny because it’s a hysterical description of “quarantine.”</p>

[sally305]

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Yes, of course it’s legal. But unfortunately Ms. Nurse is going to spend a lot of people’s’ money arguing that it isn’t.

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<p>“LOL,” Bay. How about we let the legal experts sort it out?</p>

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Lawrence Gostin, a Georgetown University professor who leads the O’Neill Institute for National and Global Health Law, said he has been in contact with Ms. Hickox and is offering his help.</p>

<p>He said Ms. Hickox has two main ways to challenger her quarantine. The policy as it is now in New Jersey is over-inclusive and it applies to a class of people and there “was no individualized assessment of her individual risk,” he said.</p>

<p>The second way is that she wasn’t quarantined in a humane health environment.</p>

<p>“Because this is not a prison sentence, the person has not been convicted. It’s civil and so you’re not supposed to punish them,” said Mr. Gostin. “The court has said that this is a humane form of protection of the public. It’s not intended to punish the individual.”</p>

<p>Mr. Gostin said that this was the first time in his living memory where there was a quarantine for a generalized class.

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<p><a href=“http://online.wsj.com/articles/nurse-detained-in-new-jersey-for-ebola-calls-conditions-really-inhumane-1414352575”>http://online.wsj.com/articles/nurse-detained-in-new-jersey-for-ebola-calls-conditions-really-inhumane-1414352575&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[LasMa]

<p>Bay, it’s a precise, factual description of what is happening to Ms. Hickox.</p>

[Cardinal_Fang]

<p>So Bay, you’re perfectly OK with the police marching into your house and locking you in a tent with a portapotty and no indoor plumbing, to quarantine you so you won’t spread Ebola? Since you and Ms. Hickox are currently equally as dangerous?</p>

[Bay]

<p>Yeah, and you left out the next paragraph of that article:</p>

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[quote]
But Michael C. Dorf, a professor at Cornell University Law School, said there may not be a sound legal case to challenge a quarantine. The state laws used to implement mandatory quarantines in New York, New Jersey and Illinois are clear and “there is no serious doubt about the affirmative power of either the states and the federal government to quarantine,” Mr. Dorf said.
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<p>But of course, everyone has the right to challenge just about anything with a lawsuit. So that is what it looks like will happen in this case. </p>

[saintfan]

<p>I still wonder if everyone who treats an ebola patient, works in the lab or in environmental services at the hospital will be under instant quarantine. What if some of the staff at Bellevue Hospital live in New Jersey? Do they get to go home at the end of the day? Are they quarantined from the first day of treatment through 21 days after Spencer leaves? Will they be paid?</p>

[sally305]

<p>Bay, I wasn’t trying to cut and paste the entire article. </p>

<p>I have a hard time believing you wouldn’t challenge involuntary confinement yourself. </p>