<p>They seem to be saying that the only way to stop the spread is by wiping out the disease which, of course, makes no sense at all because that is not stopping spread. Containment is stopping spread. But, I do think a lot of people get this and see the obvious chaos inherent in this weird and extremely dangerous public policy. Meanwhile, the CDC is investigating.</p>
<p>There is no Ebola outbreak in Texas. There is one patient in a hospital. There’s one in Nebraska, too. That’s it… Thankfully.</p>
<p>In Nebraska? When did that happen? Do they know about the case in Boston yet?</p>
<p>Nebraska is the camera guy. I don’t know about Boston.</p>
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<p>@zoosermom , it’s not a big mystery:</p>
<p>[Here’s</a> How Nigeria Beat Ebola](<a href=“http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/nigeria-ebola-cdc]Here’s”>Here’s How Nigeria Beat Ebola – Mother Jones)</p>
<p>Note that a travel ban was not necessary.</p>
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<p>The Ebola Zaire virus cannot be eliminated because it lives in an animal reservoir, and we haven’t even identified what animal(s) those are.</p>
<p>There’s another airline passenger being greeted with a hazmat team, this time at Logan. It appears to be a flight from Dubai.</p>
<p>^^From Dubai?! Ok, whatever.</p>
<p>@scholarme, I can’t find anything. Can you please provide a link?</p>
<p>LasMa, Nigeria did restrict flights. <a href=“Ebola Virus: Nigeria and Ivory Coast Restrict Flights From Countries Hit by Outbreak - WSJ”>http://online.wsj.com/articles/nigeria-ivory-coast-restrict-flights-from-countries-hit-by-ebola-virus-1407767218</a> And I’m not saying that should be done here. What I’m saying is that discussing it civilly is not racist.</p>
<p>Flying is going to be a real hassle - they are panicking whenever someone pukes.</p>
<p>Boston globe
<a href=“5 taken from Logan plane in precaution - The Boston Globe”>5 taken from Logan plane in precaution - The Boston Globe;
<p>This site has a lot of information in one place I haven’t seen elsewhere.</p>
<p>^Thank you for the link. </p>
<p>Apparently ,a simple hazmat suit isn’t enough at the late stage.</p>
<p><a href=“U.S. CDC head criticized for blaming 'protocol breach' as nurse gets Ebola”>http://news.yahoo.com/cdc-head-criticized-blaming-protocol-breach-nurse-gets-040454561.html</a></p>
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<p>I have volunteered to take care of any Ebola patient that arrives to my hospital and will volunteer my time at any hospital that grants me emergency privileges. I didn’t enter this profession for the money. Every day that I perform an invasive procedure, I place myself at risk for HIV, Hepatitis and even a prion disease. Ebola is no worse to my life than the unknown risks I face every day. Though, I have been surprised that many of colleagues said they would refuse to take care of Ebola patients.</p>
<p>Two days ago, a patient arrived to a hospital, somewhere in our city, for possible Ebola. The moment she was told to wait so she and her family members could be isolated, she fled. Police were called to locate her and they can’t find her. I really don’t know if she was even at risk since the story care from a medic, but I think we are reliving the HIV/Aids hysteria all over again. The tone needs to change because it may only make matters worse.</p>
<p>People think that banning flights would solve the issue. I think at some point the politicians will do it and it will start a black market for travelers. Currently, no U.S. airlines fly nonstop to or from Guinea, Sierra Leone or Liberia. I expect that these nations will purposely not stamp passports in or out to allow the free flow of travelers to their country. Travelers bring money and these countries are already cash strapped. Anyone traveling to the poorest of the Third World would know about corruption; it’s the way of life. I entered an African country and forgot my immunization card for Yellow Fever. The Immigration Official asked me for money and then he let me in. I went through the American approved security boarding procedure in another Muslim African country. The security person asked me for money and then let me on the plane. So, again, we will probably ban flights with absolutely no progress in stemming this epidemic. But that is politics: give people what they want and not what they need.</p>
<p>Now for something that will work: </p>
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<li><p>These patients need to be treated at our few isolation centers. I believe a poster mentioned 23 beds are available, but I would also include Fort Detrick, MD. Protocol was broken in the second Ebola infection. The nursing lobby may not like to hear that, but that is just the plain facts. So, send these patients where these protocols won’t be new or difficult to adhere.</p></li>
<li><p>Start an emergency fund to cover the healthcare and transportation costs for these patients and family members. Throw in their lost wages too. Right now, we’ve given future patients more reasons not to seek help.</p></li>
<li><p>Screen ALL international travelers (don’t ban flights) regardless of country of embarkation. We know a black market will get around the bans.</p></li>
<li><p>The US government needs to give a ton of money to Doctors Without Borders and the Red Cross. They’ve been on the ground for decades.</p></li>
<li><p>Financial medical support to the countries affected because their health systems are on the brink of collapse.</p></li>
<li><p>Finally, confirm the Surgeon General already. It is his job to coordinate this, not the CDC and not the POTUS.</p></li>
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<p>^^^Thanks.</p>
<p>By the way, Ebola is here to stay. I was surprised to find these high seropositive results in primates but also in humans: <a href=“A serological survey of Ebola virus infection in central African nonhuman primates - PubMed”>A serological survey of Ebola virus infection in central African nonhuman primates - PubMed; and <a href=“Serological Evidence of Ebola Virus Infection in Indonesian Orangutans”>Serological Evidence of Ebola Virus Infection in Indonesian Orangutans. I can’t find the other journal article that demonstrated that certain regions of Africa had a human seropositive rate as high as 13% for Ebola. Until we find a cure or a better response, we may continue to have these outbreaks in Africa and possibly Southeast Asia.</p>
<p>Thanks for continuing to post on this thread, frugaldoctor, and thank you for your service.</p>
<p>I’m hoping for an effective vaccine.
<a href=“http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=index&crtr.page=1&nid=892289&_ga=1.201338770.2004009286.1413209253”>http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?mthd=index&crtr.page=1&nid=892289&_ga=1.201338770.2004009286.1413209253</a></p>
<p>I wonder if any other countries/companies have something in the works.</p>
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<p>Sounds admirable on its face, but I find this a bad public policy idea, i.e., to essentially set up a welfare system for people with this disease. Sets a bad precedent for other diseases. Why not add in every disease then? </p>
<p>Our country is already becoming a magnet for people to get social services, to make us a magnet for the sick to get a new entitlement just for showing up sick is one step too far.</p>
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<p>A politically-correct approach that wastes lots of money and time on useless screening, and is similar to bomb searches of the 80 year-old grandmother from Wyoming.</p>
<p>At this time, what is required is a targeted screen of people: 1) who have visa and passports from the affected countries, 2) people who have been in those countries on travel, and 3) any additional countries that have an outbreak in the future (none so far). The concept that we have to screen the entire world is an unnecessary policy, given the nexus of the problem.</p>
<p>Frugal doctor: I respect your point of view but some of the statements made on the travel ban bear some questioning. The fact that these countries are rife with corruption is one more reason why anyone traveling from those countries should be denied entry without a quarantined time period. If you could buy your way out of a Yellow Fever immunization, couldn’t anyone coming from an Ebola zone buy his way out of the temperature screening in that country? </p>
<p>The HIV/Aids epidemic is/was a different scenario. By the time Aids was identified it had already taken hold in this country due to its long incubation time. If before it arrived in the U. S. a discrete hot zone had been identified and quarantined to travel, so many millions of lives could have been saved. </p>