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<p>No. End of life care is NOT “mercy killing.”</p>

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<p>Actually, in the third-world Hot Zone, Doctors Without Borders has been working with Ebola for many years, and there has been only one case of a healthcare worker getting the disease. </p>

<p>It’s not impossible to protect doctors and nurses. But it does require the correct gear, and maybe even more important, intensive training. The nurses at Texas Pres had neither. Of course, the right gear and training cost money, and I imagine that the budgeteers thought the chance of Ebola showing up in their ER was zero.</p>

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<p>I saw this yesterday. Is it not legit?</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.jems.com/article/news/16-members-doctors-without-borders-infec”>http://www.jems.com/article/news/16-members-doctors-without-borders-infec&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>It is either the above or </p>

<p>their body has the ability to make antibodies at a high enough rate that fights off the disease from the start (some people do survive, so the body does make effective antibodies) or </p>

<p>some may have a certain concentration of a particular enzyme or ion (not caused by a mutation), which makes it difficult for the virus to survive within that host and thus it dies out before adequate enough replication to cause the disease state. </p>

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<p>"Better yet to use one pen to issue a travel ban. Cost: 50 cents. "</p>

<p>Are you implying an Executive Order should be used? </p>

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<p>Frontier Airlines has removed the plane from Amber Vinson’s flight from service.</p>

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<p>Um… actually they are reporting a higher incidence of healthcare workers associated with DWB becoming ill. <a href=“http://www.wtvq.com/story/d/story/doctors-without-borders-loses-9-medics-to-ebola/18307/tBWVPYrN_0CUpJ2mhNFE4w”>http://www.wtvq.com/story/d/story/doctors-without-borders-loses-9-medics-to-ebola/18307/tBWVPYrN_0CUpJ2mhNFE4w&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>My DS#1 was stuck in Dallas last night with a layover snafoo due to weather. He said one guy on his flight was wearing a mask and gloves. </p>

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<p>So should all flights from Texas be banned now? </p>

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<p>Just found this information about the third one:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.opposingviews.com/i/health/newest-ebola-healthcare-worker-diagnosed-ebola-flew-day-diagnosis”>http://www.opposingviews.com/i/health/newest-ebola-healthcare-worker-diagnosed-ebola-flew-day-diagnosis&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>That’s absurd. There are these things called cars and a really large border. I could get in my car right now and drive to Santa Fe and hop a plane to anywhere. </p>

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<p>First – Ebola is not contagious before the patient has symptoms.</p>

<p>Second – Even the people who lived with Duncan when he WAS symptomatic have not gotten sick. </p>

<p>So far, it seems that only people who were in close contact with Duncan in the end stages have gotten sick.</p>

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<p>I think emilybee was being facetious.</p>

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<p>^^^I once thought so, but that is at least the 4th time she’s made that statement. After a while you gotta wonder.</p>

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<p>I could be wrong. Emily, can you clarify?</p>

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<p>I don’t think emilybee likes Texas! ;)</p>

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<p>What is the difference? At end of life you go to hospice, where they make the patient comfortable and do not administer anything by mouth except pain killers unless requested by the patient. The pain killers keep the patient asleep 24/7, so they cannot ask for anything, and eventually they die of dehydration in a couple of days.</p>

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<p>In any case, she’s not the only one making that statement. Really, consider how many miles the border of the state of Texas is. Yeah, shut down the flights, that’ll work…</p>

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<p>I can’t answer for emilybee, but it does seem that if the answer to containing an outbreak is to ban flights, then why wouldn’t that work in Texas? Oh right – roads. Well, there are a finite number of roads in Texas which cross the borders; let’s get the National Guard to do that. What? Desperate people will cross the border on foot? Yes they would. </p>

<p>Same arguments apply in Liberia.</p>

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<p>^^^I get your point.</p>

<p>Others, though really think you can close off Texas. Okay, so we share a border with New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Louisana. Yeah, that’s easy to do…yup.</p>

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<p>Bay, well, one minor difference is that hospice is voluntary…</p>

<p>But let’s take your argument. Let’s say we put end-stage Ebola patients on involuntary hospice. Someone is still taking care of them, administering comfort care, cleaning them up, disposing of waste. Or do we just seal them in a room alone until they die? But even then, handling the body after death is extremely hazardous. And someone has to clean the room, handle the bedding, deal with waste. What about those workers?</p>