<p>And this was a point I made on the former thread that got shut down re cleaning with bleach at home.</p>
<p>The bleach solution concentration that people use at home is NOT the same as the solutions used in hospitals to disinfect. Therefore, the protocols given by the CDC to people in their homes and private places is less than optimal and may not be as effective as presented. </p>
<p>At home, most people do not run around with arm length gloves AND also do not protect their other skin from application splash to wipe down surfaces with bleach. This is because they dilute the bleach a good bit and it is not as strong, i.e., not as toxic to skin. as the hospital and commercial versions and does not have the same killing power. And most people would not be checking the age of the bleach either, which loses strength over time.</p>
<p>That said, some bleach is much better than none and cleaning is much better than not, but like these nurses and their PPEs, the CDC instructions really left a lot to be desired because the instructions were (might still not be) not clear about the important details. The instructions get a lot of the big things right, but it is not the big things that kill you, it is the missed smaller details.</p>
<p>Well I disagree. Using this definition of “hysterical”: </p>
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<p>To believe that article, a student who simply knows another student who traveled on the plane with Ms. Vinson and who has shown no signs of ebola, got sick at school, so the entire building is shut down. The sick student allegedly has no exposure to anyone showing symptoms of ebola, yet this kind of intervention was seen as warranted. I’d say the school was “irrational from fear, emotion, or an emotional shock.”</p>
<p>Now maybe the article is wrong and the student in question (the sick one) was actually the one on the flight and was exposed to her body fluids. That completely changes the scenario. With the totally crappy and irresponsible journalism we’ve been blessed with lately, nothing would surprise me.</p>
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<p>Consolation, that is the same incident referenced in the article I linked. In your linked article, the student didn’t even know ANYONE who had been on Vinson’s plane! In your version, the student had a sister sick with the flu who has never been near Amber Vinson’s plane.</p>
<p>Just simply amazing, and yeah, if THAT article is the accurate one, beyond hysteria.</p>
<p>“The bleach solution concentration that people use at home is NOT the same as the solutions used in hospitals to disinfect. Therefore, the protocols given by the CDC to people in their homes and private places is less than optimal and may not be as effective as presented.”</p>
<p>Can you please post a link to the protocols given by the CDC to people to be used in their homes? </p>
The CDC and Emory work cooperatively all the time. There are employees with joint appointments, and student internship opportunities. Its quite easy when the CDC is on the Emory campus.</p>
<p>As an aside, a while back, they changed their name to add “prevention”- the ““Center for Disease Control and Prevention””. What ever happened to that last P?</p>
First of all, I am not one of the posters who needs a meeting of the minds. I’m quite fine with disagreement and find yours informative and respectful.</p>
<p>That said, I think we are talking at cross purposes here. I think the fear of having caught Ebola third hand is hysteria. I think the closing of the school by education officials is an unnecessary inconvenience in an attempt to achieve absolute certainty.</p>
<p>Here’s a personal secret: I have an irrational, sweating, shaking fear of noro virus. When I hear someone say “my kids had a stomach virus” I want to run and scream from them. I think they should be quarantined in a closet. Even if their kids only came into contact with someone with someone who came into contact with someone who had it. I do not want it. </p>
<p>The behavior of Wall Street often has nothing whatever to do with reality, alas. The stock market plummeted when Richard Nixon had phlebitis. Did his phlebitis have any affect on the productivity of the companies so devalued? Not one tiny little bit. </p>
<p>We cannot control what world or national events might make WS analysts go crazy, unfortunately. Be that as it may, their behavior does affect the rest of us, even if much of the loss is on paper and will be recouped when they decide to be bullish on airline stock again.</p>
<p>In any case, I was not comparing the med fly to Ebola, simply suggesting that there are good reasons, including financial ones, for paying attention to fruits and vegetables crossing our borders. There are many other examples.</p>
<p>We’ve had a total of one non American person from an affected country come to the US who had turned out to have Ebola. One. Since the latest outbreak and all the other outbreaks of Ebola before that. I would call our response hysterical. </p>
<p>I don’t think anyone on this forum is hysterical. Bringing up how others react to Ebola is distracting. Why bring them up here? Is it to negate anti-CDC opinions? To invalidate their skepticism?</p>
<p>“The behavior of Wall Street often has nothing whatever to do with reality, alas. The stock market plummeted when Richard Nixon had phlebitis. Did that have any affect on the productivity of the companies so devalued? Not one tiny little bit.”</p>
<p>Consolation, your point that the Dow is not really connected with the reality is not completely correct. What the markets do, especially in this day of electronic information dissemination, can affect companies in many ways. The perception of wealth factor is not limited to the individuals; it also affects what companies do with their resources. Especially the smaller ones that heavily depend on raising funding in the capital markets! Sure, a Dow drop due to an acute event is not going to cause many ripples, but if the FUD continues (and Ebola effects can linger for a while), its effects can be devastating, especially on the smaller players. </p>
<p>“I don’t think anyone on this forum is hysterical.”</p>
<p>The collective “our.” </p>
<p>“What part of the response has been hysterical emilybee.”</p>
<p>The call for banning flights. The closing of the two elementary schools. The ripping out seats, carpeting on the Frontier plane - after 4 decontaminations - the rescinding of admittance to the 4 Nigerians and what just happened today in CA. I am sure by the end of the week there will be more to add to my list. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, kids all over the country are allowed to go to school without being vaccinated for a whole host of communicable diseases. </p>
<p>Folks, get ready for next generation of airplanes with carpetless, cushionless plastic “intestines” that can be hosed with bleach between flights. Hmmm… This may not be such a bad idea that could actually prevent spread of many bad bugs. Gotta alert my Boeing buddies ;)</p>
<p>“New business idea-- disposable comfortable airline seat cushions and seat backs. Now if we could only stop the tray table/reclining seat wars.”</p>
<p>Better yet - BYOS travel (bring your own seat )</p>
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