<p>thats what you are for picking at something so miniscule and inconsequential. People like you are ruining this country always whining about every little thing because you cant stand the president. Y dont u just leave this country because you sure as hell are not welcome here. You keep talkign about respect. Howbout respecting OUR president. Howbout not calling him an idiot. Howbout using your brain for just one second and stepping back to think so he called rice condi, big deal. Do you REALLY believe that the president does not respect CONDI because he called her by her nickname. Do you believe he appointed someone to be sec. of state because he disrespects her. Since there are only two states here respect and disrespect. You claim his comment shows a lack of respect for her. So do you also claim he disrespects her. Cmon get out of ur liberal mindset for just a minute.</p>
<p>hey, it could be worse. At least he didn’t call her Condilizzle.</p>
<p>I respect people who earn that respect.</p>
<p>I have never had respect for buffoons, and buffoons who have endangered the entire world deserve only contempt.</p>
<p>ok ok here you have it. All Music has just proven what ive been talking about. Look at that he simply HATES george bush and thats all there is to it. There is no logic in his hate and he will do everything he can to hurt our president. All Music lives a comfortable life no doubt he has not been touched by terrorism or at least not since 9/11. He most likely has a job. If he owns stock, he probably is making money, but he hates bush. Plain and simple.</p>
<p>LOL Ski. In the first place, I am a “she” and not a “he”.</p>
<p>In the second place, I don’t “hate” anyone.</p>
<p>I said I don’t respect the man. I have contempt for his foreign policy blunders, which have made our country much more vulnerable to terrorism.</p>
<p>Yes, Bush’s tax decisions have benefited my family nicely. I still think those tax cuts are absurd, and the billions upon billions (of debt) spent on this misbegotten war debacle will haunt our children (your age peeps, Ski) and grandchildren for decades to come. </p>
<p>My personal feelings about Bush are based in reason and fact, not some youthful Lalaland where the patriarchal leader can do no wrong.</p>
<p>So you feel Bush has made us more vulnerable to terrorism. Its interesting you feel that way because, pre-9/11 there was NO Bush foreign policy, yet there was terror. However, post- 9/11 there is a Bush foreign policy, yet there is no terror. I know I know what a shame you must be thinking. Better their be terror and no bush, than Bush and no terror.</p>
<p>Ski said to Bullwinkle: “Y dont u just leave this country because you sure as hell are not welcome here. You keep talkign about respect. Howbout respecting OUR president.”</p>
<p>I find that rather offensive. If you had said you do not welcome Bullwinkle, that’s your opinion which you are free to hold. But to imply, as your phraseology does, that Bullwinkle is not welcome in this country is really beyond the pale. Questioning other people’s patriotism, and saying they should leave this country just because you disagree with them is hardly my definition of being an American.</p>
<p>Since you spend most of your posts talking about Israel, and have several times identified yourself as an Israeli, I was not even aware you were an American. Maybe you need more time here to check out the Constitution. Particularly the Bill of Rights.</p>
<p>Allmusic, I’ll try to say this as gently as I can, but for someone who bases his feelings on “reason and fact” your statement, “I said I don’t respect the man. I have contempt for his foreign policy blunders, which have made our country much more vulnerable to terrorism” is utterly lacking in the attributes your claim so condescendingly. I do believe it is you who live in Lalaland, the Laland of people who cannot dissect personal FEELINGS from truth and facts. If you want to identify the collosal foreign policy blunders, just turn back your calendar to the years we did not have one under the dymamic duos of Clinton/Christopher and Clinton/NotallthatBright. </p>
<p>The same can be said about your analysis of our economic performance since 2000. </p>
<p>Be all the ultra-partisan critic you want to be, but do not pretend your position to be based on facts and reason. Those things are impossible to recognize behind thick emotional blinders. Have the intellectual integrity to recognize you hate Bush just because you hate him, which is your right, and a right that does not require justifications.</p>
<p>xiggi, has bush ever done anything you don’t like, or do you feel the need to defend him no matter what…</p>
<p>here’s a BIG scoop for you, “facts” are presented by people, and often, those facts as presented by administrations are not FACTS…full information is not given, it is skewed by the presentor, you think Snow gives us facts…hah…he throws his personal feelings and the presidents in all the time</p>
<p>the President presents things as facts, but it is how he wants it to be. IE Iraq is a mess, it is not going well, but Bush says it is like it is fact</p>
<p>So please, do not talk avout facts as if they are pure and clean without agendas, that is being in lalaland</p>
<p>We were given “facts” in Vietnam, we were given “facts” about how the prescription drug bill would be easier and better (talk to most any senior), we were given facts that Iraq was going just swell (even Repulicans have come back and said, well not so well), we were given facts about how no child left behind would work, we were given facts about Katrina, we were given facts about the economy</p>
<p>facts are presented with feelings all the time, to think they are not is being naive…to find the facts, people in government make personal choices as to what is relevant, what they want to share, what to not include, it does not happen in a vacuum, never has, never will-</p>
<p>when this Administration talks about facts, shows #s, gives stats, its not pure…so when you ask people to seperate facts from feelings, that has to start at the top</p>
<p>do you honestly think that government doesn’t put personal feelings into what they do? gosh, talk about lalalland</p>
<p>and if you want to talk about economic performance, who’s # do you look at, or do you actually go beyond what you read in government and company reports and see how people are living, the debt they owe, the loans college kids have to take cause grants are down, the people surviving just barely, the cost of medicine and what seniors have to do, the choices familes make- food or medicine, people out of work or getting minimum wage trying to support a family, people getting laid off</p>
<p>I lived during the good economic optimistoc times, how old were you during Clintons years? Until you have really lived through some rough times as an adult will you really understand hardship</p>
<p>being all safe in college doesn['t really give one a full grasp of what is going on out there in the bigger picture</p>
<p>when our government puts people in temporary mobile shelters that make them sick and tells them to open the windows, gee, gosh, sorry our feelings come into play, how awful for people to have feelings and be passionate and care, guess we should be robots and not let our hearts be part of the discourse, but should be cold and analytical and calous, because heaven forbid emotions are included in the conversation</p>
<p>I personally wouldn’t want to be around someone who thinks feelings are irrelevant when discussing politics,</p>
<p>Xiggi said, “Have the intellectual integrity to recognize you hate Bush just because you hate him”…</p>
<p>I’ll try to be patient with you. This is not about some immature “hate”, which is a teenage emotional response. As an adult, I don’t “hate” people, only their actions.</p>
<p>Without question, if Armegeddon doesn’t beat us to the punch line, this war in Iraq will go down in history as the single worst foreign policy decision ever made, bar none.</p>
<p>“immature ‘hate’, which is a teenage emotional response.”</p>
<p>Wow, how pretentious is that.</p>
<p>
Allmusic,</p>
<p>You are clearly content with the one you have but I wonder if you might come by some <em>new</em> ad hominem attack on say, ebay, or maybe ad_hominem.com, or AD HOMINEM WEEKLY. It’s probably a rare find but a while back I recall seeing <em>a sense of humor</em> offered at a rather modest price on ebay: which in itself could spruce-up your now faltering and played-out assault…but not utterly remake it–just a face-lift, of sorts.</p>
<p>Perhaps someone could loan you one of theirs (I mean, an ad hominem); that is, if you promise not to misuse it as you have this old saw. I have a few I could spare, but they’d probably be of no use to you as they are only appropriate to “over-the-hill liberals” and “buffoonish intellectual wannabes”…using any of them could put you in a real pickle (though pickling’s a preservative it is only effective on vegetables and fruits…hey, wait…)</p>
<p>To your credit–and I always appreciate this in you AM–you contain your prejudicial enthusiasms to age…of course, race, gender and class would just be sooo tacky: who could bear it…really? Still, I’d simply hate to think that you, as a mother of collegiate children, have come by this nasty little prejudice honestly. It can’t be all that bad, can it?</p>
<p>They say you’re never too old to change…well, here’s hoping! </p>
<p>Cheers, Old Girl!</p>
<p>FS</p>
<p>Ah, FS, well there you are! I do hope to see the FS/Xiggi cheerleader, Driver, right behind you, championing the intellect of you both.</p>
<p>Actually, “hate” <em>is</em> an emotional teenage response, and both Xiggi and Ski accused me of “hating” Bush. I don’t “hate” anyone.</p>
<p>I stand by my original statement, even if FS believes I am well over the hill. She may be right, but every teenager in town is always at our house, so I assume that they appreciate something about my humor and hospitality, even in my over-the-hillness, or my “baffoonish intellectual wannabeeism”…or it could be that I simply feed them constantly.</p>
<p>I wonder how many press conferences Ronald Reagan had where he referred to Ambassador Kirkpatrick as “Jeanie”. I’m not sure she would have stood for it even once.</p>
<p>A.M.,</p>
<p>As to your house being filled to the rafters with “immature haters” (e.g., teenagers): if I had to guess, I’d say that you’re not serving them the same thing at home that you’re serving us here. :)</p>
<p>…just a guess.</p>
<p>So how’s about a little kitchen wisdom:
“Kissin’ don’t last, but cookin’ do.”</p>
<p>…that must be some consolation.</p>
<p>
Look. Jeanne Kirkpatrick didn’t go by Jeanie. Condi does go by Condi, publicly and privately. Just as Jimmy Carter went by Jimmuh. If Condi runs for office I guarantee that her bumper stickers will say Condi!, and she won’t bother with the last name.</p>
<p>Good point. </p>
<p>If there’s one woman, I wouldn’t want to meet up with in a dark alley, it’s “Jeanie”</p>
<p>more common than alleged. many presidents have referred to their cabinet officers by first names and nicknames.</p>
<p>In post #27 on this thread (i believe it was) Kluge makes an excellent point-</p>
<p>“(Typical political thread here - substantive comment which is (mildly) critical of GWB, a few comments on same, a couple of jokes, and then attacks on the motivations of anyone who questions the fearless leader. When lacking anything substantive to say, attack the messenger, the messenger’s fellow party-members, and anyone who might ever have had anything in common with the messenger.)”</p>
<p>I think this thread shows that progress and a few other steps included here-the failure to read the posts of others (and so you can create the apples and oranges confusion needed to defend the indefensible), then the subject gets trivialized, dismissed and ultimately the GWB detractor is demonized.</p>
<p>Of course there are also the posts that instruct you what to think and do and my personal favorites are the ones that tell you the thread is a non-issue yet they keep coming back time and time and time again to post.</p>
<p>Of course skirossignol has taken this to a level I’ve not seen on this board before but, I’m with you bud, I’m on board-
America -LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!
My country - right or wrong!!
“peace symbol” - footprint of the American chicken!</p>
<p>I even went back and saw some old newsreel. In addressing the nation regarding the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, President Johnson turns to Dean Rusk and says “Yo Dino, what up with this”?</p>
<p>What have I been thinking?</p>
<p>I’d also like to add that I have no hatred for George Bush. The man only has my sympathy. He is completely in over his head, is totally unqualified to be President of the United States, he is a former drug and alcohol abuser who failed in every venture he ever attempted and is in his present position only due to the genius of Karl “Dr. Frankenstein” Rove and the rest of daddy’s buddies. He is a straight man who doesn’t get the joke because he is the joke.</p>