<p>Dont see posters condoning this behavior, texaspg.</p>
<p>Speaking from personal experience, I have relatives who have recently been admitted to The University of Chicago and UC Berkeley. Those applicants would never permit assistance other than proofreading of their essays. I have to wonder how those students who allow much more than that actually perform once admitted.</p>
<p>“I didn’t believe parent1986 when he/she said that people openly admitted this kind of cheating, however many glasses of wine are involved.”</p>
<p>If my post was ambiguous, it was in support of parent1986, not whether people condoned it or not. All of us said he was wrong but then it comes out several people knew instances of such occurrences. If a sober person admitted it in doctor’s office to a perfect stranger that she wrote all her husband’s essays, or your friend admit to you that she wrote her son’s scholarship essay, I don’t see why parent1986 can’t have other parents admit to him that they wrote their kids’ essays wbile they were inebriated.</p>
<p>Ohiomom
based on true story
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parents would fund so they could hire army of help during school year, hire tutors=writers during break, just like ever since in prep schools.</p>
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<p>Huh??? Where do you get that? </p>
<p>Methinks you are mis-interpreting xiggi’s comment about hiring a consultant. No where does he indicate that said consultant should write the essay. Indeed, no good consultant would do it. What they can do is offer suggestions for essay topics that may “fit” better with college x or college y.</p>
<p>btw: how is hiring an admissions counselor any different that a music coach, or a athletic trainer or an academic tutor? Some high schools have really poor counseling. At our public HS, the ratio is 650 students/counselor.</p>
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<p>Did jym’s friend do a better job than a hired consultant or sewhappy D’s school teachers? I doubt it. Who are there to help kids who go to public schools?</p>
<p>parent1986’s friends are mad at her/him, I sense.</p>
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<p>Does a consultant need to actually write with her/his own hand? Are many of us lawyers?</p>
<p>@ post 362: That’s one reason I don’t believe it’s a widespread practice. You’d think kids in an academically demanding environment would be dropping out in droves, or barely hanging on. Yet the retention and graduation rates at top schools are quite good, and average GPAs are well over 3.0 (which some may say results from grade inflation, but I say results from admitting really smart kids).</p>
<p>So I doubt that it’s really Mom, or a hired gun, writing the admissions essays - or certainly doing undergrad work - in a significant number of cases.</p>
<p>@B&D Just wonder how that turns out later, once admitted, etc.</p>
<p>texapg
I hear you. it is happening.
and everyone here you mean never helped kid’s science projects, art projects, privately talked to coaches, professionally photoshopped their portfolio or DVDs
never added one or two schools on their common app with or without their kids knowing?
what is cheating, how far, how much?
It is there. but you never have to do it.
I sort of believe if kids are under such parental guidance, it gotta do something to their value.
If those kids would kept to themselves and have dandy life ( they seems to do) fine.
so be it. (was this the key word?)
I don’t wanna.</p>
<p>Ohiomom
the protagonist is an underpaied private school teacher who makes extra money tutoring/ doing Ivy kids’ extended deadline papers during breaks.</p>
<p>There is somewhat of a cross-reference “check” on the essays. If an applicant doesn’t score well on the SAT writing/CR portions, and doesn’t receive excellent grades in high school English and maybe English AP scores, then I assume adcoms would question an exquisite essay submitted by him/her.</p>
<p>Conversely, if all of those measures match up, then there isn’t much reason to worry whether the admitted student can do the work.</p>
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MOWC love this statement!! and I want you to know I will be using it after D graduates (hopefully) in May. Thanks :)</p>
<p>Re: cheating- A few years ago I overheard a conversation between D and another ballet SI student discussing the SAT. This girl was upset that her father had decided to send her to Japan for her junior year of HS. He wanted her to take the SAT there versus in the US. According to this girl, it is possible to get not only extra time but help while taking the exam at several testing locations in Japan. She said this started after the Japanese learned of vast cheating in China. Wild story or some element of the truth I dont know.</p>
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<p>Not sure I understand the question. Many high school counselors “assist” students with college essays. Many senior English teachers are called into service to help read essays. </p>
<p>One of the big advantages of a private high school is the counseling that it provides.</p>
<p>Just catching up on this thread. Hope texaspg won’t mind my playing off the last line of post #363:</p>
<p>Ethically bad idea: Parents writing their kids’ college essays
Comically bad idea: Parents writing their kids’ college essays while inebriated</p>
<p>My mother (bless her at age 75) loves to call me to tell me about how dangerous where ever I am living at the time because she read/watched/heard from some where. She would also tell me all the food I am eating contain some harmful chemical, and recite people who have died/gotten ill from eating those food (did you know by just flying over Tokyo, you could be contaminated by the radiation?). She also told me 30 years ago that it was bad to marry a white person, because she heard they changed spouse like they changed food.</p>
<p>If anyone is interested in listening to more urban legends, I would be happy to give you my mom´s number, I may even pay you for listening too.</p>
<p>oldfort, in case “you” mean me
it isn’t so funny about people in Japan really, I mean, going thru what they do.
I have been warned from right minded friend
"don’t say “you should get out” "
since I am out?<br>
yeah I’m from there and dear old here knows that.
because
normal folks don’t have choice or slight idea how that could be even fusible.
count your blessings dear, think why you are picked/ chosen/ or whtanot as far away from the action. </p>
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SAT thing, I can identify with mentality. it could be true, if the kid is biracial or 100% Japanese, more so.
Sad, but it exists. not legend, but fact.</p>
<p>and yes, I want your mom’s number, assuming she would talk to me?</p>
<p>My kids didn’t even let me see their essays. D managed to get into college before I even discovered CC (thank goodness, or I would have driven her nuts). WildChild’s essays were excellent, but risky (in my opinion). I didn’t get to express my opinion since I wasn’t supposed to have seen them. The one I did get to help with concerned a disciplinary infraction. He got really good feedback on his essays from several very selective schools, especially Chicago. </p>
<p>My son said there were some very weak writers at his college, surprisingly. My daughter said there were some terrible writers in her master’s program, too.</p>
<p>bears and dogs - what? Yours is an individual voice, but I can’t understand it.</p>
<p>I know I know how I wish…
it is nothing you should worry about, as long as you-know-who would get the message, that’s all I need. then again, it never happens
sigh.</p>
<p>bears and dogs - please don´t assume I am EVER speaking about you or to you. The only reason I mentioned Japan was because my parents just flew back from Asia 2 days ago, and when booking her flight, she refused to fly through Tokyo. I frankly do not understand what you are saying most of the time.</p>