Shelby Steele on Ivy League Admissions

<p>LOL-- I was wondering what “bleed” I was supposed to select!</p>

<p>Kitty is a trademark character of Bruna bunny Miffy knock-off.
I am NOT allowed to make nor sell. but had worked in the past and remember patterns still.
The whiskers are the KEY
have you ever paid attention how they spread?</p>

<p>Does Jym get to have both a bear and a dog?</p>

<p>yeah s/he is a nice guy who did not LOL at me!!!</p>

<p>Are bears and dogs a good business?</p>

<p>Are you considering adding any other animals?</p>

<p>Humble us a bit. How many languages do you speak, Bears and dogs?</p>

<p>I don’t think Hello Kitty looks much like Miffy. </p>

<p>Besides, Hello Kitty could totally take Miffy in a street fight.</p>

<p>tons of trolls maybe :D</p>

<p>It is hard to keep up.</p>

<p>it happens. winner (Kitty) always writes history.</p>

<p>no I only speak Bearsanddogsh.</p>

<p>I think toy trolls have been done already. Maybe penguins…</p>

<p>birds are hard sell as well, but I love penguins.
any more ideas?</p>

<p>Zebras? ;)</p>

<p>stripe is hard.
again we’d have pre printed zebra fabric but animals have this distinct patterns, especially on face and behind.
ask anyone to color in stripes on blank horse’s behind to make it to zebra.
maybe Harvard bio should require that test?</p>

<p>I have to run to the store now, but here’s a little inspiration. Maybe an octopus!</p>

<p>[David</a> Gallo shows underwater astonishments | Video on TED.com](<a href=“http://www.ted.com/talks/david_gallo_shows_underwater_astonishments.html]David”>http://www.ted.com/talks/david_gallo_shows_underwater_astonishments.html)</p>

<p>Deborah
wow
it was a humbling moment.
thanks for sharing
everyone should watch it.
what wonder the world is.
why am I bickering stupid things…</p>

<p>Ok you all can have your thread back
Ciao</p>

<p>" Who has seen the book of essays written by Harvard students? I remember them all being very intellectual and way above anything I or my kids would write. There wasn’t a hint of anything resembling what is being called an adolescent voice.</p>

<p>If the average amount of time given to an applicant package is only a few minutes, how can there be much time to read an essay? "</p>

<p>When someone complains that 2400, 4.0 and valedictorian did n’t get in, people chime in and go HELLO, have you seen their essays, ECs, LORs? When someone says essays can be ghostwritten, people go but adcoms are trained to detect the voice and it is rare anyway or they are not too important.</p>

<p>If people have similar ECs, I guess all the teachers have it in for students at the top and prefer those lower ranked kids in their classes.</p>

<p>Start a new thread, bearsanddogs. It’s highly entertaining.</p>

<p>In response to texaspg’s last post: If you look at the outcomes by student on CC, at the top universities, as I did a few years ago, you will generally find that it is relatively rare for a student to be admitted to all of the top schools. (Please note the qualifiers “generally” and “relatively.”) There is no apparent “rank order” in the preferences of the universities–i.e. Harvard takes some that Yale rejects and vice versa, and similarly for all of the other possible pairs. For the students who were admitted to at least one of the top schools, we can conclude that the EC’s, letters, and essays were at least ok. </p>

<p>The question arises: what about the students who were not admitted to any, but had excellent stats? I make a limited claim: There is some element of randomness in admissions. Some of the rejected students with excellent stats also had EC’s, letters, and essays that were more or less of the same level as those of the admitted students, but in effect, these rejected students just had bad rolls of the die, at the top places where they applied (in the “reach for everybody” category).</p>

<p>epiphany mentioned the issue of yield to me in a PM. While US News & World Report no longer uses yield to rate the schools, nevertheless, yield is somewhat important, since the schools probably don’t want to have to admit too many students from the waitlist, nor wait too long until the class is settled. So a student who, for some reason, appears to probably be headed to Harvard might be rejected by Princeton. Indeed, the odd pattern of acceptance probability vs. SAT scores that Princeton had about 5-10 years ago would seem to support this notion.</p>

<p>I don’t think the teachers have it in for the top students–and presumably, neither does texaspg. Still, it seemed to me that overall, my high school ages ago was more enthusiastic about the top students than QMP’s high school was. Maybe a change in the philosophy of educators?</p>

<p>Finally, suppose you are an admissions representative. Where is the fun in admitting a student with 2400 SAT I, 2400 SAT Subject Tests, 4.0 UW GPA, AP’s to choke on, university courses, varsity athletics, yadda, yadda, yadda? A computer could do that.</p>

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