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<p>Is this the cue to break out in song from “The Sound of Music?”</p>
<p>(sings) “High on a hill lived a lonely goatherd…”</p>
<p>“For universities not to acknowledge this human interest would be strange, to say the least.”</p>
<p>Would it? Universities in lots of other countries don’t have athletic programs. There’s no other country I’m aware of where the tie between universities and athletics comes close in scale or importance to what we have in the U.S. It’s not because they don’t love sports in other countries – they’re fanatics in a lot of places. They just don’t see much of a relationship between universities and sports. I don’t think that’s strange.</p>
<p>lol, coureur.</p>
<p>Re: a post by epiphany, back a page: There are frequently complaints about well qualified students seeming arrogant. Oddly, some of the most arrogant people I know personally are faculty members at the top places. (I love 'em anyway–it could be argued that their arrogance is not completely unjustified.) To be fair, the top places also have some faculty whose accomplishments are overwhelmingly impressive, while arrogance is completely absent.</p>
<p>“Entitlement” is another goat-getter on CC (if I can still use the “goat” reference). The students I know with the biggest entitlement issues are varsity athletes at schools that really take sports seriously.</p>
<p>Considering there are no major universities that I am aware of in this country that do not offer intercollegiate athletics, it most certainly is strange to us that other countries do not do this.</p>
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<p>Just to even out the digs, a prof on another thread said he found the most entitled students to be the honors college ones, not the athletes.</p>
<p>Maybe my current applicant should just send in a little home-made cheese she crafted with the milk from one of her goats as her Arts Supp- plus a photo of the goat wearing one of the college’s varsity soccer t-shirts and a blue ribbon from the State Fair!!! And a video of her making her recipe for Roti with “High on a Hill lived a lonely goatherd” (sung by her in French) playing in the background… (WINK)
Delish!</p>
<p>SNL could do very well with some of this stuff, methinks</p>
<p>Athletes majoring in science tend to be fine–at least, the overwhelming majority of those I’ve encountered. But they are almost never in the revenue sports–maybe 3 in 30 years (large public university).</p>
<p>Why are you distinguishing between athletes majoring in science and athletes majoring in other things?</p>
<p>On my list of things I never realized before coming to CC: How so many STEM people really have such a division between STEM-things and the rest of life.<br>
signed, math major</p>
<p>Most of our athletes major in something athletic.</p>
<p>I don’t think any of the revenue sports athletes major in history, either.</p>
<p>We did have a great woman gymnast majoring in mathematics–very impressive. The meets are free and hardly anyone goes.</p>
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<p>Sigh. This thread is not about large public u’s, it is about the Ivies. Nevertheless, I took the time to look at the bios of every senior on Stanford’s football team (a revenue sport), and you should be pleased to know that more than half of them will be graduating with STEM-related majors.</p>
<p>Science, technology and society: 6
Human biology: 3
Mechanical engineering:2
Management, science and engineering: 1</p>
<p>Sociology:3
History:1
Architectural design:1
Public policy:1
Classics:1
Psychology:1
Communications:1
Art History:1</p>
<p>Sorry for the detour, but I just hate it when people make sweeping generalizations about college athletes without knowing the facts.</p>
<p>As said before, this forum doesn’t allow for putting in all of the qualifiers that would have to go into a book. When I mentioned “entitlement” of our local revenue sports athletes and put in parentheses “large public university,” that was all I meant. When I referred to students I knew, that was all I meant. My comments should not be interpreted as sweeping generalizations.</p>
<p>I’m glad that Stanford has football players majoring in serious things. In the big football conferences, the football players tend to have majors like kinesiology–and occasionally other things. The University of Michigan has a physics major on their team. He’s had a little bit of playing time, but not much. (5’ 11", 185 lbs.)</p>
<p>Added: With reference to the posts below, I am not at MIT. Sorry if something I said gave that impression. I know a lot of the faculty in my area at HYPSM, and have known many of those who are my age for a long time. When I referred to my “colleagues at MIT” I meant my scientific colleagues there, not my institutional colleagues. “Our local revenue sports athletes” = my university’s revenue sports athletes.</p>
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<p>Apparently for schools local to MIT (“our local revenue sports athletes”), but not, apparently, for Stanford, according to Bay’s research.</p>
<p>or by “our” did you mean U.S.?</p>
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<p>Please do tell, which are the ‘athletic’ majors at say, UC Berkeley or UCLA? Or USC (before you say kinesiology, check out the requirements which are premed courses)? </p>
<p>[Office</a> of Undergraduate Advising: List of Majors](<a href=“http://ls-advise.berkeley.edu/major/majorlist.html]Office”>http://ls-advise.berkeley.edu/major/majorlist.html)</p>
<p>[Academic</a> Life - USC Undergraduate Admission](<a href=“http://www.usc.edu/admission/undergraduate/learn/majors_usc.html]Academic”>http://www.usc.edu/admission/undergraduate/learn/majors_usc.html)</p>
<p>It turns out, that it is really interesting at UCLA: Quite a few of the athletes major in history. I admit, I’m surprised.</p>
<p>Here’s a link to an AP story on clustering in majors, dated Tuesday:
[AP</a> ENTERPRISE: Examining football player majors - Yahoo!](<a href=“http://sg.news.yahoo.com/ap-enterprise-examining-football-player-majors-171816888.html]AP”>http://sg.news.yahoo.com/ap-enterprise-examining-football-player-majors-171816888.html)</p>
<p>Also, I took a look at the requirements for USC’s kinesiology major. The only math requirement is pre-calculus. The students are required to take first year general biology, one semester of general chemistry, and one semester of physics for biologists. They are required to take anatomy, but it’s the course offered by the EXSC department, the same department that offers Physiology of Exercise (also required).</p>
<p>Then there are some optional courses, where students can take EXSC “Individualized Exercise Prescription,” “Athletic Injury Prevention,” “Drugs and Ergogenic Aids in Sport and Weight Control,” . . .
They could take organic chemistry–but it’s not required (unlike the situation for pre-meds).</p>
<p>It looks like a Kinesiology major to me.</p>
<p>^^they have to major in something and the UC’s don’t offer so-called vocational (“athletic”) majors per se – that is the general purview of the Cal States. Even undergrad biz at UC requires Calc.</p>
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<p>Fact check: Title of thread = Shelby Steele on Ivy League Admissions</p>
<p>U of Michigan =/= Ivy League</p>
<p>Sad news for the Wolverines! Are you sure, epiphany? :)</p>
<p>One of these days, I’m going to start a ranking of universities by the frequency with which their aficionados insert them into every discussion on College Confidential no matter how far off the topic they are.</p>
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like, is Stanford Ivy?</p>