<p>Actually college is not a crippling factor in finance. All Ivy Leagues give full rides to those who’s income is lower then 60k. </p>
<p>Many top 50 Universities give at least 85+% of need aid to those who’s of low income. </p>
<p>You just have to be smart on this issue.</p>
<p>But not everybody can attend an ivy league</p>
<p>And Ivy Leagues- feeling maybe a bit of sympathy- will not let you in on the poverty issue alone.</p>
<p>^ That was in reply to someone in this thread who said College was a crippling factor in top schools. That is blatantly false. It’s the top schools which are much more affordable.</p>
<p>Hell no it’s not a right. If you want to go to school, pay your own way. I also don’t believe in the concept of government-funded K-12, so don’t call me a hypocrite.</p>
<p>madogmgd, I don’t understand the point of your post. Yes, we pay for part of tuition. I think everyone knows we partially fund all public education. That doesn’t change the fact that some people don’t want to fully fund other people’s college education. There’s a big difference.</p>
<p>As for the Casey Anthony trial, she had a right to public defense. Would you discriminate according to whose actions you agree or disagree with? I’m sure anyone in any sort of legal trouble would want a defense attorney; the kind of legal trouble or the person who gets funded doesn’t matter.</p>
<p>No government funded K-12?</p>
<p>How will all those homeless children go to school?</p>
<p>^ There’s little things called charities and scholarships. But I don’t want to be forced to pay for that homeless kid’s education, as the system is now. If I don’t care about the homeless kid, why should the government hold me at gunpoint to pay? What do I get out of it?</p>
<p>No government funded K-12 is ridiculous. So you want only the rich people who can afford an education to get one and move ahead, forever leaving the poor people in a hole they can’t get out of because they won’t have any opportunities? America is all about opportunities for advancement. Without public funded education, there will be a permanent lower, middle, and upper class.</p>
<p>^ It’s all about helping out your fellow american.</p>
<p>And I don’t believe an American should have a choice in deciding if they want to help fund a child’s education</p>
<p>If the choice was 100% left up to Americans, where would we be?</p>
<p>The system would be controlled by people who are selfish.</p>
<p>Dusterbug, that is the most selfish thing I’ve ever heard. Where do you think these charities and scholarships come from? There isn’t an unlimited supply of money that everyone has access to.</p>
<p>Even if you do believe in government-funded K-12, at what point is it too far? After 12th grade, you are pretty much an adult and you need to make decisions for yourself. It is what you make of it. I don’t think society is obligated to take care of others in order for them to get degrees and good jobs.</p>
<p>I think that people who want to go to college should be able to, but they have got to work for it through those k-12 years. Those who work hard and really push themselves will find themselves successful despite less-than-ideal situations. Scholarships are always there for those who deserve them. </p>
<p>College tuition IS very expensive & it’s an issue but it’s an entirely different issue from whether or not we’re entitled to higher education.</p>
<p>good way to put it dreamer!</p>
<p>Even if college is a right, what difference would it make?</p>
<p>Health Care is a right, yet many people can’t even get a Flu shot.</p>
<p>I agree, dreamer2012. I just think government should fund the foundational K-12 education, but after that, it is what you said. It’s harder for some than for others, and some people aren’t made for college, but you can’t have someone hold your hand your entire life because after college, then what? The government and society isn’t going to help you get a job, buy a house, raise a family, and whatever else you need to do.</p>
<p>All of you are just mad, and hypocrites. Unless you support filling EVERY need of EVERY homeless person out of your own pocket, you’re an absolute hypocrite for calling me selfish. </p>
<p>I have zero responsibility to a homeless person. They have done absolutely nothing, nothing whatsoever for me, and I’m expected to fund their schooling? What if they flunk out? Do I get my money back?</p>
<p>Agreed, dreamer2012 and GottaHaveFaith.</p>
<p>You don’t have to break the bank when you pay taxes :</p>
<p>There are plenty of people who do pay taxes which gives enough money for K-12</p>
<p>I disagree, Dusterbug. It’s called prioritizing. It’s unrealistic to expect the government to fund everything a homeless person needs. We are not hypocritical because we say the government should fund education, but shouldn’t buy them shoes.</p>
<p>Dusterbug, what does it matter what they do with their education? Give them a chance. Why do you feel they should give you something? Do you give your parents things for everything they do for you?</p>
<p>I feel like this will turn into a political debate very quickly but can I also add that if you want to get far in life it’s on your own shoulders. You have to know what you want and the measures you’re willing to take to get it. Yes, of course, it’ll be easier for some than others (namely, those with money and connections). But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have to work hard to get what you want just because others don’t have to work so hard for the same goal.</p>
<p>It’s an interesting debate and both sides have legit points but i feel like soon this is going to be a raging argument over politics which I don’t want to get involved in lol</p>
<p>If we look at it from a different perspective, sans morals, you are right in the fact that they haven’t done anything for you.</p>
<p>But, put yourself in their position for a bit. Imagine a country without government funded K-12. You are a gifted young boy who is eager for knowledge. But your family cannot afford to take you to school. You have to settle for working on a farm rather than working towards a good future. You live in a society where nobody cares how smart you are, they don’t wanna help you get your education.</p>
<p>I have been to a country that is like this, that country is Guatemala. Education gets very little government funding over there. Many kids cannot go to school and have to stay home and help on the land all day. All that potential wasted.</p>
<p>You are right, you could be funding a complete idiot drop-out. But at the same time you are also funding a knowledge-hungry boy.</p>
<p>The benefits outweigh the risks.</p>
<p>Empathy, the world lacks it.</p>