Should fast food companies be shielded from legal claims their food causes obesity?

<p>Aren’t there at least 2 questions here:</p>

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<li>Should the government prevent lawsuits?</li>
<li>Should the plaintiff prevail in a lawsuit?</li>
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<p>I’m opposed to number 1. I find it ironic that many people - not point at people here - argue for individual liberty but want to quash the right to sue businesses. </p>

<p>As to how a case should go, I have no idea. Seriously. No one does. A company can argue it complies with labeling standards but that doesn’t insulate it from liability. As the entire history of product liability shows, labels are not intended by the government to relieve companies from liability. </p>

<p>We could compare the history of other cases. A company can sell something safe that can be misused and be found liable for not taking steps to prevent misuse. That is why we have child safety locks on medicines: a dangerous thing sold legally can create liability if the maker and/or seller don’t take reasonable steps to prevent misuse. The same arguments about personal responsibility were made then.</p>

<p>I find the personal responsibility argument fascinating because of what is going in our society. We’re seeing a rapid movement toward the erosion of the reasonable man standard in favor of subjective belief, however irrational. The reasonable man standard was always in part a societal response to irrationality: you can say what is right and wrong by looking at what a reasonable person would do and that can be determined rationally by looking at basics like probability and by weighing available action versus consequences. But now people argue their irrational fears justify actions that have severe consequences, even killing, and that this is in a real sense a constitutional right. </p>

<p>In lawsuits about products, I could see using a reasonable man standard to say a company’s advertising about the deliciousness of its fast food is just advertising. I could also see a particular case in which an individual is sold harmful quantities of something like soda in cups because then there is a specific set of circumstances which says “you did x and this guy suffered”. But that would be tough with food because there is no nicotine in food. That was the issue with cigarettes: a reasonable man would become addicted to cigarettes and that would harm him. </p>

<p>A food case like I describe would, I think, be more of a dram shop case: you knew the guy was drunk but sold him liquor anyway. That could translate into you knew the guy was eating huge quantities of stuff that is bad for him and sold it to him anyway. How far could that go? I have trouble saying it would mean you don’t serve fat people because you don’t know as a specific place serving stuff what that person eats elsewhere or why he or she is fat. I tried to describe a very narrow case where personal responsibility issues are overwhelmed by the course of dealing. I don’t think it’s a great case because a drunk doesn’t know he or she shouldn’t drink, but it’s arguable. </p>

<p>I can’t see how the food industry would be held liable for making caloric, sugary stuff. That is a way of saying I don’t find the “addiction” argument compelling; there are too many other choices of food. A cigarette is a cigarette no matter the maker, but you can always buy beans and cook them.</p>

<p>All food and liquid intake should be consumed in moderation whether it’s a burger, steak, smoothie, water, veggies, or opera cake (yum!) or tiramisu (yum!). I presume everyone knows that. IMO, the only time you could sue a restaurant is when they label the dish as a health dish when it’s in fact 1500 calories, 20g sugar, 120g saturated fat and 50g carbs.</p>

<p>There’s a new pair of jeans that claims to reduce cellulite in 6 weeks as long as you wear it at least 8 hours a day. Now this one looks like a target of a lawsuit down the road.</p>

<p>The premise that there is something inherently different about “fast food” is false. And any “legal claims” would only exists as a way for under employed lawyers to take a spin of the roulette wheel in the hopes of getting paid off. </p>

<p>The concept of the near poisonous lethality of fast food exists because of Morgan Spurlock, and yet if you look at Spurlock’s CV no one would know who he is if his movie didnt predict calamitous results from eating fast food. So was there a motivation to embellish things- uh you bet. </p>

<p>Regarding the inherent dangers of fast food there have been attempts to recreate Spurlock’s experiment. And in doing so the testers actually lost weight. </p>

<p>Soso Whaley ate three meals a day at McDonalds for 60 days. She lost 18lbs and 40 cholesterol points.
[Super</a> Size Me / Down Size Me](<a href=“http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/in_our_opinion/super_size_me_down_size_me.htm]Super”>http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/in_our_opinion/super_size_me_down_size_me.htm)</p>

<p>Tom Naughton ate fast food for a month and journaled all of the items. He lost 12 pounds.
[My</a> Food Log](<a href=“http://fathead-movie.com/content/MyFoodLog.htm]My”>My Food Log)</p>

<p>There nothing magic about food. Your body cant tell if it is locally grown or came from across the country. It cant tell a carb from freshly made pasta from one a bun. Organic food is nutritionally identical to conventionally grown. </p>

<p>The locally sourced loaded baked potato you wait 50 minutes for in the artisanal vegetarian restaurant could be much worse than the fries ready in 60 seconds.</p>

<p>I think we have a subconscious cultural need to always blame a villain for everything unpleasant or disappointing or ugly. So naturally we need to treat Big Fast Food like Big Tobacco. </p>

<p>I guess it was bound to happen. At least maybe some of the unemployed law grads will finally find a few jobs.</p>

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<p>Argbargy, I couldn’t disagree more. Food is more than calories. A freshly-made batch of fried chicken made with nothing but chicken meat with no antibiotics and breading has a vastly different health effect on your body than a chicken nugget that contains petroleum, and a bunch of other things, even if the calories are the same. I could probably give hundreds of other examples. THAT’S why fast food is the target. And organic food even tastes different, never mind the pesticides that non-organic food is sprayed with. Is organic perfect? No. But I guess would rather limit my exposure.</p>

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placebo effect, which leads to the cash register effect</p>

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<p>You have a study to show this “vastly different” effect for the same macro nutrient levels?</p>

<p>This new movement against Big Agra, Big Fast Food is really just an extension of the by now old trope of “evil corporations poisoning us”. </p>

<p>If it’s really so terrible why are we living so much longer??</p>

<p>Paranoia and righteous indignation is nothing new – remember how the “population bomb” was going to have us all starving to death?</p>

<p><a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Population_Bomb[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Population_Bomb&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>To me, it’s simply common sense that certain things should not be put in your body. I am sure the studies are out there, and, if not, will be out there (like with cigarettes). I am not trying to prove anything to you. I doubt I could. If you want to experiment with what substances your body can or can’t take until you find a study that proves otherwise, go for it!</p>

<p>We are living longer because we are getting better health care. And the explosion of horrific diseases from all sorts of cancers to other things can, at least in part, be attributed to our diet.</p>

<p>^^^ No, no, acollegestudent – we have already been thoroughly instructed that our healthcare is very bad.</p>

<p>I know you are being sarcastic, but I actually do think that our healthcare has SERIOUS issues. All I am trying to say is that it’s an improvement from before.</p>

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<p>I attribute it to left handed doors. </p>

<p>The fact is the longer you live the more likely you are to get cancer. Thats just the way these mutation things work. If you die of the Spanish Flu when you are 22, you will never get cancer. </p>

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<p>and another study</p>

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<p>NUTRITIONAL is not the only thing to be considered - other things you are putting in your body (like pesticides) are also something to consider.</p>

<p>I am bowing out of this thread for the time being. I could probably find counter studies. I could probably also make an argument that we don’t know the full effect yet. But it’s not worth it. Someone mentioned common sense earlier in this post. If your common sense dictates that you should eat food that contains petroleum (even in small amounts) and pesticides, it’s not something I want to argue. Good luck!</p>

<p>Spurlock didnt gain weight from pesticides. He did it (and got this movie distributed) by drinking tons of full sugar sodas.</p>

<p>If you want to remove contaminants from produce (might be a good idea) you wash or peel them. </p>

<p>The point is there is nothing inherently dangerous in eating at a fast food restaurant. Spurlock’s goal was to get a film made and therefor he he made completely atypical food choices. You could repeat the experiment in nearly any restaurant in the country- what would the effect of eating butter chicken and white rice or Chicken Costoletta morning, noon and night for 30 days be?</p>

<p>Anyone intent on crashing their car is going to crash it.</p>

<p>I went to the McDonalds nutrition and calorie guide. I could eat 3 meals a day there for slightly over 1500 calories, no calories for coffee with breakfast and diet soda for lunch and dinner. Heck, I could LOSE weight eating there 3x daily.</p>

<p>Do it and come back in a couple of months to let us know how it went</p>

<p>I kid. But the point is theories are rarely practical.</p>

<p>I confess to having am egg McMuffin for breakfast today. I overslept and didn’t have time for my usual scrambled egg and ww toast. 300 calories, 12 grams of fat…I know, 780mg of sodium I don’t need. But still, not a bad breakfast with a cup of green tea at my desk this morning.</p>

<p>^^ Contrast that with some of the home cooked breakfasts at some B&Bs I’ve been to - eggs, sausage, cheese, toast, plenty of butter and jam, other meats as well, OJ, milk, coffee (with sugar/cream available), etc. The calorie count for a typical helping was vastly higher than your egg mcmuffin and probably had more sodium as well.</p>

<p>I only had the OJ but most people had the full-on breakfast. I’ve never had an egg McMuffin and never will but these things need to be put in context. Some of those breakfast burritos are much worse choices. I’ve known some people who would eat one of the loaded burritos every single day for breakfast (and they were obese).</p>

<p>Have you seen what’s in some of the Starbucks offerings (I don’t ever go there either)? Huge calories for some of their selections.</p>