<p>WashDad, I’m still waiting for someone to make a new “Flintstones Mobile” (i.e. feet stick out of the bottom. You want to go faster? Run harder!) </p>
<p>Green energy source, and fights obesity! Perfect!</p>
<p>“Has anyone seen a decent energy-usage comparison between using electricity to make hydrogen vs. using that same electricity in a battery-powered vehicle? I’m wondering if the high power required to split water is worse than the power losses in transmitting power from a power plant to a vehicle charging station.”</p>
<p>I think that another problem in widespread charging is current transmission line capacity. It reminds me of the problems that the networks and ISPs are running into with customers watching streaming television shows and movies on their broadband connections and sucking up huge amounts of bandwidths resulting in rationing.</p>
<p>“What we know won’t work are the failed strategies of the past - tax breaks to the oil corporate socialists, oil and gas leases to the corporate socialists, and “trickle down” for new technologies. These are proven recipes for failure.”</p>
<p>Why would you argue that the current system doesn’t work? We have prices going up to realistic levels that other countries have had for ages. The normal market response is falling demand and that’s what we’re seeing. We’re also seeing research into alternatives and individuals choosing lifestyles that consume less energy.</p>
<p>BC is correct we have been spoiled with low prices…go to Europe and you will quickly realize that they are paying @$10 a gallon even with our weak dollar. He is also correct that people are choosing different lifestyles…This is the 1st time I can remember Amtrack breaking profit expectations. The HOV in DC is now having problems with their slug line…It was hard to get a slug at certain times in the day b/c they all wanted to drive, now it is hard to slug b/c no one wants to drive!</p>
<p>“Flintstone Mobile” will have different waste products that will overload our current infrastucture.</p>
<p>I’m waiting for the the McFusion portable electricity appliance. :)</p>
<p>WashDad, what you say is true, but is oil not of the same character? It represents stored solar energy (the eco-freaks should love that concept - I’m burning stored solar energy in my Hummer).</p>
<p>Mini - what does it cost to fill your Hummer these days? :D</p>
<p>btw - jym, the State has wired and said Florida is allowing Georgia to pipe our water to us. Thanks! ;)</p>
<p>P2N, the energy in oil was stored up millenia ago. There is no free hydrogen lying around waiting to have its energy released. You have to put energy into something that has hydrogen in it to get the hydrogen out; the fuel cell then harvests that energy by releasing it in another chemical reaction. Hydrogen as a fuel requires the generation of more energy from some source than it is capable of releasing as a fuel. It’s really just another form of a battery.</p>
<p>I wonder what the hurricanes will do to those oil derricks being drilled off the coast?</p>
<p>Anybody know?</p>
<p>Understood, kluge. </p>
<p>Will it a more environmentally sound method of powering the motors of commerce? Is it an interim technology that can help us transition away from fossil fuels? The jury may still be out.</p>
<p>Cleaner solar, nuclear and other technologies can produce the energy necessary for H production.</p>
<p>sevenhills,
A quick google came up with this from the Mineral Management Services:
@ [MMS</a> Press Release - 2006](<a href=“http://www.mms.gov/ooc/press/2006/press0501.htm]MMS”>http://www.mms.gov/ooc/press/2006/press0501.htm)</p>
<p>" MMS also is releasing the following tally of hurricane-related oil/condensate/chemical spills in Federal offshore OCS waters as reported to MMS and the National Response Center. Six spills of 1,000 barrels or greater were reported; the largest of these was 3,625 barrels of condensate reported by the Gulf South Pipeline Company in the Eugene Island Block 51 area. A total of 146 spills of 1 barrel or greater have been reported in the Federal OCS waters; 37 of these were 50 barrels or greater. No shoreline or wildlife impacts were noted from these spills." </p>
<p>This from 113 platforms destroyed</p>
<p>sevenhills,
A quick google came up with this from the Mineral Management Services:
@ [MMS</a> Press Release - 2006](<a href=“http://www.mms.gov/ooc/press/2006/press0501.htm]MMS”>http://www.mms.gov/ooc/press/2006/press0501.htm)</p>
<p>" MMS also is releasing the following tally of hurricane-related oil/condensate/chemical spills in Federal offshore OCS waters as reported to MMS and the National Response Center. Six spills of 1,000 barrels or greater were reported; the largest of these was 3,625 barrels of condensate reported by the Gulf South Pipeline Company in the Eugene Island Block 51 area. A total of 146 spills of 1 barrel or greater have been reported in the Federal OCS waters; 37 of these were 50 barrels or greater. No shoreline or wildlife impacts were noted from these spills." </p>
<p>This from 113 platforms destroyed</p>
<p>That was definitely worth posting twice, xNYer! :D</p>
<p>p2n-
Florida doesn’t need to steal Georgia’s water. You can get all the water you need right from the air! [Welcome</a> to AquaVentus](<a href=“http://www.aquaventus.com/Site/AquaVentus.html]Welcome”>http://www.aquaventus.com/Site/AquaVentus.html)
When FL has this down pat, the other states will surely check it out a well. Keep us posted 
(This really IS a cool gizmo, all kidding aside)</p>
<p>^^^
Sorry for the double post, laptop prolems.</p>
<p>jym, looks like a dehumidifier.
Maybe if we all had one of these in FL the humidity would’nt be 99%</p>
<h1>91 - intresting link. I couldn’t find the strength of the hurricanes listed.</h1>
<h1>72 - Is the Valdez Exxon Oil spill a big enough example? Don’t forget to calculate the cost of litigation resulting from the spill, in addition to the damage to the environment.</h1>
<p>P2N, have you remembered the definitions of fascists and socialists?</p>
<p>The Exxon spill was caused by conditions unlikely to be repeated. Also it had nothing to do with offshore drilling but normal transportation of oil after the fact.</p>
<p>Not the main issue or argument I was making barrons - I was responding to comments to me.</p>
<p>Main issue - there isn’t a shortage of oil - it is an artificially created temporary situation.</p>
<p>The off-shore oil needs to be kept in reserve for the day it is needed, when a real shortage exists.</p>
<p>The environmental issues are also huge, but having read your take on environmental issues and how you document, I won’t bother to address the seriousness of those, when considering the big picture.</p>
<p>I was dead serious, xNYer- it WAS worth posting twice. And you are correct again- it operates like a dehumidifier, and produces drinkable water. I believe it runs off its own generator so that when the power goes out and you can’t use a dehumidifier, you can use this.</p>
<p>These articles suggest that even if the off shore restrictions are lifted, the oil companies do not currently have the infrastructure (manpower, offshore drilling equipment, etc) to move forward anytime soon
[Newsvine</a> - Greater access could mean more oil-industry strain](<a href=“NBC News - Breaking News & Top Stories - Latest World, US & Local News | NBC News”>NBC News - Breaking News & Top Stories - Latest World, US & Local News | NBC News)</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/business/19drillship.html?_r=1&oref=slogin[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/business/19drillship.html?_r=1&oref=slogin</a></p>
<h1>91, those results are also from derricks in Va., not prime hurricane territory.</h1>
<p>Barrons, Valdez tankers exist in equal, if not greater quantity today, and are targets for terrorist attacks. I would imagine they are more of a concern today, not less.</p>
<p>As stated multiple times, emphasis should be on conservation, not more development.</p>
<p>Good points, Jym. Also, you commented about the increased commerce oil companies would bring to Florida. What guarantees are there American workers will be used by the oil companies (Halliburton and illegals)?</p>