No mention of any other aspect of the application is made, so it’s safe to assume that the higher/lower GPAs which he talks about constitute only the GPA aspect of the application.</p>
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I don’t really have time to read the article, could you quote the section which mentions that 4.0s are easily obtained in most US high schools?</p>
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We havn’t discussed any scenarios. You posed a scenario as support for your claim that a higher GPA doesn’t always yield higher chances, and I countered with a different scenario in which all other factors are held constant.</p>
<p>I would like to return to my original statement, which kingsize deemed a “common myth”:</p>
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<p>Clearly, kingsize considers this to be incorrect. I ask, then, how having someone else who has a higher GPA than you apply from your high school increases your chance? Even having a randomly selected student from your high school apply would decrease your chance; the number of applicants is increased, while the number of slots is held constant.</p>
<p>Kingsize’s point is fundamentally logically flawed.</p>
<p>These are snippets of various articles, by the way.</p>
<p>Gasoline prices are up, unemployment is up, so why shouldn’t students’ grades be a little, well, inflated, too?</p>
<p>More than 45 percent of this year’s college freshmen say they managed to graduate high school with an “A” average, but their academic prowess isn’t supported by their grades.</p>
<p>The school is retroactively inflating its grades, tacking on 0.333 to every grade recorded in the last few years. The goal is to make its students look more attractive in a competitive college market.</p>
<p>“The best interpretation we can make is that grade inflation has been increasing because of all the pressure on teachers from students and parents to help them become more competitive for college,” said Astin.</p>
<p>“Each year we think it can’t inflate anymore. And then it does again. The C-grade is almost a thing of the past.” Last year, 44.1 percent of respondents reported carrying an “A” average in high school.</p>
<p>^ I don’t see any mention of the ease in which 4.0s are attained at American public schools. An increase in 4.0s due to grade inflation yes, but nothing about the ease of US high schools. In any case, your blanket statement is still a blanket statement.</p>
<p>Not that your discussion is relevant, but I would never trust data that come from students’ self-reported grade “averages.” I know many students who consider themselves to be “A average” students when they get mostly B’s.</p>
<p>No, kingsize. If you disagree with this statement,</p>
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<p>the logical result is that you must believe that there are situations in which this will not affect or will help a student’s chances. Please describe such a scenario.</p>
<p>Carrying an A average means the average of all the grades earned in your high school courses is higher than a 90. That doesn’t suggest that every grade attained in high school is a 90 or higher.</p>
<p>^ Indeed. Moreover, these are self-reported approximations.</p>
<p>In any case, I don’t see the relevance of this to my original claim. What I said in first response to the inquiry is independent of evidence; it is necessarily logically complete in itself.</p>
<p>Scenario C: (What Jersey13 requested):
4.0 GPA, 11 AP classes vs. 4.0 GPA 4 AP classes.</p>
<p>And if you can refer back to the AP forum, there are a lot of posters baffled and bewildered by having an A in an AP class but getting an AP result of 1s and 2s and 3s.</p>
<p>^^ Relevancy aside, that’s all just anecdotal. Just as you can argue one side of an argument (not sure what argument that post is addressing) using anecdotes, I can do the same. My AP Econ class has a 99% passing rate (3 or higher) in both Micro/Macro and a 95% rate of students scoring 4 or higher, yet less than 10% of the kids receive As, does this mean that US high schools everywhere are implementing grade deflation?</p>
<p>Now we are reprobating over infinitesimal details.</p>
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I think it should be considered as a constant axiom that we were talking about specific college.</p>
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<p>Seeing that you still did not understand the main thesis of my argument, I think it is foolish to carry on with this discussion.
I do not understand why you think having a higher GPA will yield higher chances.</p>
<p>Please respond to post #551, kingsize. If you cannot provide such a scenario, your original characterization of my response, which is what initiated this discussion, is erroneous.</p>
<p>You have often stated in these forums that you go to one of the top schools in New Jersey.
I think it is simply preposterous that you are using that as an argument.</p>
<p>My AP Calculus AB class (26 people) got all 5s in our exams. Yet, we consider an AP class as a “college” class so there needs to be a bell curve.</p>
<p>Not surprisingly, we had Cs and Ds in our class.</p>
Once again, a bit confused. Are you saying that we should accept the fact that 44% of students have a 4.0 in US high schools as a self-evident truth?
It’s analogous to stating that a higher SAT score yields higher chances. We aren’t attempting to measure the magnitude of the change (very likely minuscule), just that it logically exists.</p>