<p>Thanks for all of the suggestions! Im looking to find a school in either the southeast or northeast, preferably the northeast but i’m pretty open in regards to location as long as its in this general region. Has anyone heard anything else about Haverford? I’ve gotten pretty mixed responses but I still kept it on my list, nothing I’ve heard has been bad enough to cause me to completely eliminate it as an option but still.</p>
<p>Sorry! Simmons is East Coast, but I thought of it at the end because of its unique programs and it got into the wrong category.</p>
<p>My opinion is that Haverford is a very good school. Nice campus, quite a communal/cooperative atmosphere (my introverted D2 found them too communal, outgoing D1 loved it but did not apply because they are somewhat restricted in study abroad options). Honor code is a big deal there. But unless you are at true academic superstar, you are going to have to work pretty hard to distinguish yourself there. The sal from D2’s class is attending there this fall, they are not slackers…</p>
<p>Blah2009, what is your problem? I think his list is very credible… those schools DO have a reputation as grindingly difficult schools. In addition to the meeting with the long-time JHU prof I cited in my post, I have a young relative there who is pre-med at JHU right now, and he is honestly hollow eyed and exhausted every time I see him on a break from school – which is rare, as he often misses family events because he can’t get away for them. We also definitely got that message from our tour guide when we toured JHU a few years ago. I have my own college aged kids, and know that every college is not like that. Now maybe the humanities majors are living a more relaxed life – wouldn’t surprise me too much. But as JHU is known as a pre-med school, you can’t blame people for thinking that is the dominant culture.</p>
<p>What about Wofford or Furman in the Southeast?</p>
<p>How about Centre, Furman, Wake Forest, Davidson, Washington & Lee, Richmond? Those are some of my favorites. Each a little different than one another, most have very good pre-med, pre-law, science with excellent placement into grad programs.</p>
<p>This suggestion will seem totally out in left field, but take a look at WPI. It is small and has a non-cut-throat environment, yet the students are very bright and accomplished (though a little on the nerdy side). They have a very good biology and biotechnology department with lots of research opportunities and links to the UMass Medical School which is close by as well as the Tufts Veterinary School (also close by). Also biochemistry, bioinformatics and computational biology.
Lots of support for pre-med, pre-vet and pre-dental students.</p>
<p>[Pre-Health:</a> Pre-Medical - WPI](<a href=“http://www.wpi.edu/academics/prehealth/premed.html]Pre-Health:”>http://www.wpi.edu/academics/prehealth/premed.html)
[Pre-Health:</a> Create Your Own Advantage - WPI](<a href=“http://www.wpi.edu/academics/prehealth/your-advantage.html]Pre-Health:”>http://www.wpi.edu/academics/prehealth/your-advantage.html)
[Biology</a> & Biotechnology: Undergraduate Programs - WPI](<a href=“http://www.wpi.edu/academics/bbt/ugprograms.html]Biology”>http://www.wpi.edu/academics/bbt/ugprograms.html)
[Life</a> Sciences & Bioengineering Center](<a href=“http://www.wpi.edu/Admin/LSBC/index.html]Life”>Life Sciences & Bioengineering Center | Worcester Polytechnic Institute)
[First</a> Year Experience: Heal the World - WPI](<a href=“http://www.wpi.edu/academics/firstyear/heal.html]First”>http://www.wpi.edu/academics/firstyear/heal.html)</p>
<p>Have a look at these two groups of colleges:
[CTCL</a> Members | Colleges That Change Lives](<a href=“http://www.ctcl.org/colleges/list]CTCL”>http://www.ctcl.org/colleges/list)
[Associated</a> Colleges of the Midwest](<a href=“http://www.acm.edu/index.html]Associated”>Associated Colleges of the Midwest)
Some schools (Beloit, Cornell College, Knox, Lawrence, St. Olaf) belong to both groups. All but Hampshire are outside New England.</p>
<p>The most selective of these two groups are:
Carleton … Colorado College, Grinnell, Macalester, Reed, Whitman.
Except for Carleton, even these are a bit less selective than Haverford. </p>
<p>Kenyon and Oberlin are two other solid midwestern LACs.</p>
<p>For the SE LAC my daughter looked at Rhodes, The University of the South, Davidsen and Furman. They are all excellent schools. Rhodes was her top choice until an overnight that didn’t go well but excellent overall. She ended up at a midwest LAC but Rhodes definitely burns bright. She didn’t look at Elon in North Carolina but I hear lots of good things about it.</p>
<p>iadorking, I was just going to mention Elon. Not at cutthroat atmosphere, very friendly and social, and the only university in the country without a med school that has a cadaver lab for use by undergrads (yes, my daughter had a cadaver in her intro Anatomy course). They do have a grad school of Health Sciences that teaches Physical Therapy and Physician Assistant. I don’t know what their med school placement rate is though.</p>
<p>Davidson is a great school, but has a reputation for grade deflation. Don’t know if it reaches the definition of grind school, but it’s very, very tough to get As.</p>
<p>I would strongly recommend Washington and Lee, a top twenty liberal arts school with small class sizes and a reputation for academic excellence. I am currently a freshman at W&L, so let me know if you have any questions about it!</p>
<p>Does rampant cheating count as cut-throat enough for you?</p>
<p>[Johns</a> Hopkins Cheating | Multiple questions on exam cheating Hopkins forum mulls issues after calculus test is compromised - Baltimore Sun](<a href=“Multiple questions on exam cheating Hopkins forum mulls issues after calculus test is compromised”>Multiple questions on exam cheating Hopkins forum mulls issues after calculus test is compromised)</p>
<p>[Johns</a> Hopkins University Students Conspire To Throw Their Class Final Exam Curve, Succeed | TFM News](<a href=“http://totalfratmove.com/johns-hopkins-university-students-conspire-to-throw-their-class-final-exam-curve-succeed/]Johns”>http://totalfratmove.com/johns-hopkins-university-students-conspire-to-throw-their-class-final-exam-curve-succeed/)</p>
<p>[Finals</a> disrupted by cheating | The Johns Hopkins News-Letter](<a href=“http://www.jhunewsletter.com/2009/02/05/finals-disrupted-by-cheating-75855/]Finals”>Finals disrupted by cheating - The Johns Hopkins News-Letter)</p>
<p>Try reading some of the comments from JHU students and faculty within the articles. This is why it has the reputation it has.</p>
<p>In retrospect Davidsen and Furman both have grade deflation - perhaps not quite so laid back. However I hear that the flight connections into North Carolina for North Easterners going to Elon are quite good.</p>
<p>in New England, Amherst, Williams, Bowdoin, Colby Bates, Holy Cross. In the South-Davidson.</p>
<p>Depending on your academic profile, you might consider Emory’s Oxford College. [Home</a> - Oxford College<a href=“Scroll%20down%20and%20click%20on%20Oxford%20at%20%5Burl=http://apply.emory.edu/discover/fastfacts.php]Admission%20Profile%20>>%20Fast%20Facts%20>>%20Discover%20>>%20Office%20of%20Undergraduate%20Admission%20>>%20Emory%20University[/url]”>/url</a></p>
<p>You might also consider transferring to Emory’s Bachelor of Medical Science program in Medical Imaging, either from Emory or another school ([url=<a href=“Doctor of Medicine Student Handbook 2022-2023 | Emory School of Medicine”>Doctor of Medicine Student Handbook 2022-2023 | Emory School of Medicine]Bachelor</a> of Medical Science in Medical Imaging Admission Process and Program Information](<a href=“http://oxford.emory.edu/]Home”>http://oxford.emory.edu/)).</p>
<p>University of Dallas, hills dale college, St. John’s Sante fe</p>
<p>Nearly every school I’ve seen mentioned is good, but no one has asked the most critical question. What’s your financial situation. </p>
<p>Almost every school on the list will set you back at least $200k. Add another $200k for med school. With the uncertainties revolving around the sustainability of the current pricing structure of healthcare in the US and the fact that unlike most specialties, radiology can and is being done remotely, on and off shore, will you be able to survive that debt? Will you get financial aid? This is an important consideration. </p>
<p>I would not recommend that anyone entertaining professional school incur much, if any debt. The payoff just isn’t there. It isn’t any more likely that you’ll get into med school from prestigious U as it is from your state flagship and once you’re out, you won’t make any more money either way.</p>
<p>And way to cite timely info, including a <em>recent</em> article from 1998.</p>
<p>Try out Carleton College! Students here are very laid-back even though everyone is intelligent and incredibly passionate about what they do. The professors are extremely dedicated to helping their students learn (#1 for undergraduate teaching – [Best</a> Undergraduate Teaching | Rankings | Top National Liberal Arts Colleges | US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges/undergraduate-teaching]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-liberal-arts-colleges/undergraduate-teaching) ). Everyone here is willing to help everyone else out and collaborative learning is certainly a large aspect of learning at Carleton.</p>
<p>Our pre-med program is very strong as well – 70% of the students who apply to Carleton do get accepted to medical school. Even if you someday drop out of the pre-med track, Carleton’s a great school in general and sends a lot of students off to get PhDs and the what-not.</p>
<p>P.S. We are also #2 on Newsweek’s list of happiest colleges if that means anything. (: [Colleges</a> With The Happiest Students: Newsweek, College Prowler List](<a href=“Colleges With The Happiest Students: Newsweek, College Prowler List | HuffPost College”>Colleges With The Happiest Students: Newsweek, College Prowler List | HuffPost College)</p>