Small/Medium LAC Northeast. Pre-Med, no budget [PA resident, 3.76 GPA, full ride outside scholarship]

Wow, your son has a very desirable profile IMO. He has a great GPA and is Native American. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that he can aim very high. I think he will be able to choose from many great options, as long as he can maintain, and ideally improve, his GPA.

Biology is a very popular major and strong at most good colleges. I suggest checking out colleges in the NESCAC and Patriot Leagues. Of those schools, I particularly like Amherst, Bowdoin, Hamilton, Bates, Colby, Tufts, Connecticut College, Lafayette, Colgate, and Holy Cross. I think students at those schools are particularly welcoming, friendly, and involved. Any colleges in those conferences are great though. Of those schools I’ve mentioned, some are big reaches, in particular Amherst, Bowdoin, Hamilton, and Tufts. They are all fairly selective though.

Others have made great suggestions too. Your son should pursue his interests but he should also do his best to keep his grades high. Come back here and keep us posted!

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If the college has its class schedule visible to non students, the answers to questions about class sizes are best found there, rather than on a visit. On the online class schedule, specific courses of interest can be checked, while a visit may not produce an answer that matches the student’s interest (e.g. a pre-med prospective student asks about class sizes to a non-pre-med student in a small major).

Washington & Lee is about 3.5 hours drive from Harrisburg. My D21 is a chem major/social determinants of health minor on a premed track. She’s found the pre-health advising is excellent… providing access to local shadowing and service opportunities as well as summer internships and research. The school is located in a beautiful area of the Shenandoah Valley with access to many outdoor activities, if that’s of interest. If you have any questions about the school or her experience, feel free to PM me.

Here are a few recent articles/posts about the Native American Student Organization and other community activities.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DCpTVN2Ri1f/?igsh=MW9kOWgyNnM0MnBwZw==

Your son sounds like a fantastic student. Enjoy the time together over the next few years; it will go by too quickly. :heart:

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The Common Dara Set provides the actual numbers - 142 sections with 50+ students out of 1220, of those 101 with 50-59 students.

Of course, since the larger classes have more students, a student is likely to get a larger percentage of large classes than the percentage of classes that are large. That becomes especially true if the student is in a popular major like biology or pathway like pre-med. At Rochester, there may only be 3% of classes with at least 60 students, but pre-meds will take a lot more than 3% of their classes with at least 60 students.

There’s more to a liberal arts school than class sizes. Having gone to the U of R, and having a student at a LAC, I can say one’s experience at those two types of school will feel very different.

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You are comparing 2 specific schools - with your student’s LAC unmentioned - and then generalizing to “these types of schools”. I’m sure there are differences between any 2 schools you want to compare, but the poster specifically mentioned class size as a concern of interest,

@ Killerqueenmom

Whatever college your son decides to enroll in, have him get in contact with ANAMS (Association of Native American Medical Students), which despite its name is for undergraduate students as well as med students).

ANAMS offer mentoring, networking and special educational and research opportunities for Native American students. It’s great way to his name out there in front of med school admission deans.

There may not a chapter on his campus, but he will be welcomed into the national organization and given the same opportunities that would be offered thru a local chapter.

SHPEP is a program for individuals from Under-represented in Medicine (UiM) groups (Hispanic, Native American, Black, and FGLI) that offers special summer programs to help prepare students for entering healthcare professions (medicine, dentistry, nursing, optometry, pharmacy, physical therapy public health, etc). SHPEP offers exposure to clinical medicine, mentoring, networking, educational & research opportunities.

SHPEP is only for rising college sophomores or students who have less than 90 college credits.

MSIPI (Minority Serving Institution Pathway Initiative) is a 5 week long summer enrichment program primarily for Black and Native American pre-meds.

Native American pre-meds will engage in tailored programming at a Native American Serving Non-Tribal Institution that includes a chance to develop competencies for becoming successful applicants to health profession programs, plan academic journeys, get clinical exposure, and network.

Students may attend both a SHPEP and a MSIPI summer program.

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I agree that the vast majority of schools on that list are not just reaches but beyond the reach of a student with a 3.76 gpa - unless he has some special talent which hasn’t been mentioned. The Supreme Court’s decision rules out gaining entry as a Native American unless he can find a way to sell himself in his essay as overcoming obstacles resulting from that heritage.

Good point. I wasn’t thinking of that. Yes, you could well be right that very selective colleges are out of reach.

But maybe, between teacher recs, guidance counselor recs, essays, and possibly his activities, I suspect that there is a way to make clear that this student is native American.

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I think this is a great recommendation! I do want him to see a couple options.

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Yes, I think small class sizes is one of the most important factors. Thank you for this clarification.

Thank you so much for this list! I will have him connect with these resources!

Trying to get him to think more broadly, so thank you for the ideas!

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This list includes some great ideas for schools to explore further (however low the acceptance rates of some may be). The list may suggest a geographical question as well: is the OP more interested in a location specifically in the Northeast or simply one in reasonable proximity to Harrisburg? A trip by car from Harrisburg to Colby, for example, would take a few hours more than one to, say, Denison in the Midwest.

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This is not accurate. Universities can consider a student’s discussion of how race has impacted their life “so long as that discussion is concretely tied to a quality of character or unique ability that the particular applicant can contribute to the university.” This is not a high bar; if a kid mentions their heritage and wanting to participate in or start an affinity club or a course about Native history or whatever, then voila – the school is allowed to consider it.

The sky is the limit for a Native American full-pay boy with a 3.76 GPA looking at SLACs. They all would love to admit him.

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Isn’t that what I said???

Not knowing this student’s personal life history, we have no idea if the sky is the limit for him?

You don’t have to “have overcome obstacles resulting from” your heritage to “gain entry as a Native American.” Your ability to speak about your heritage is much broader than that, and many colleges now have specific essays that are designed to draw this out.

I was giving an example. But clearly we have different understandings of the Supreme Court’s decision:

  1. Colleges cannot set up quotas and cannot give preferential admission based on replace. So, it’s not as simple as a student sneaking in race information in his/her essay.
  2. Judge Roberts said in his majority opinion that nothing in their decision prevents a student from writing about how race affected his/her life. Hence my example of overcoming obstacles. It’s not as simple as saying “I want to start an affinity club or take a certain course.” I have no idea how you got that from the court’s decision. It’s a higher bar than that. Do you know of any admissions offices doing what you stated?

Just for the benefit of the OP, say in the context of deciding what sorts of things might be helpful to include in an application, here is the relevant language in the Supreme Court’s decision:

At the same time, as all parties agree, nothing in this opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise. See, e.g., 4 App. in No. 21–707, at 17251726, 1741; Tr. of Oral Arg. in No. 20–1199, at 10. But, despite the dissent’s assertion to the contrary, universities may not simply establish through application essays or other means the regime we hold unlawful today. (A dissenting opinion is generally not the best source of legal advice on how to comply with the majority opinion.) “[W]hat cannot be done directly cannot be done indirectly. The Constitution deals with substance, not shadows,” and the prohibition against racial discrimination is “levelled at the thing, not the name.” Cummings v. Missouri, 4 Wall. 277, 325 (1867). A benefit to a student who overcame racial discrimination, for example, must be tied to that student’s courage and determination. Or a benefit to a student whose heritage or culture motivated him or her to assume a leadership role or attain a particular goal must be tied to that student’s unique ability to contribute to the university. In other words, the student must be treated based on his or her experiences as an individual—not on the basis of race.

The DOJ and Department of Education subsequently jointly issued some guidance to colleges in light of this decision, including in the form of questions and answers:

https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/1310161/dl?inline

Of possible relevance to the OP:

Q2: In what ways can institutions of higher education consider an individual student’s race in admissions?

The Court in SFFA limited the ability of institutions of higher education to consider an applicant’s race in and of itself as a factor in deciding whether to admit the applicant. The Court made clear that “nothing in [its] opinion should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise.” Id. at 39. This means that universities may continue to embrace appropriate considerations through holistic application-review processes and (for example) provide opportunities to assess how applicants’ individual backgrounds and attributes—including those related to their race, experiences of racial discrimination, or the racial composition of their neighborhoods and schools—position them to contribute to campus in unique ways. For example, a university could consider an applicant’s explanation about what it means to him to be the first Black violinist in his city’s youth orchestra or an applicant’s account of overcoming prejudice when she transferred to a rural high school where she was the only student of South Asian descent. An institution could likewise consider a guidance counselor or other recommender’s description of how an applicant conquered her feelings of isolation as a Latina student at an overwhelmingly white high school to join the debate team. Similarly, an institution could consider an applicant’s discussion of how learning to cook traditional Hmong dishes from her grandmother sparked her passion for food and nurtured her sense of self by connecting her to past generations of her family.

In short, institutions of higher education remain free to consider any quality or characteristic of a student that bears on the institution’s admission decision, such as courage, motivation, or determination, even if the student’s application ties that characteristic to their lived experience with race—provided that any benefit is tied to “that student’s” characteristics, and that the student is “treated based on his or her experiences as an individual[,]” and “not on the basis of race.” Id. at 40.

I would agree that without knowing anything about how your son being Native American has affected his experiences as an individual, we cannot advise how, if at all, to discuss those experiences.

But certainly he can discuss some of those experiences, if given an appropriate opportunity. And the Supreme Court left open a lot of different experiences a college could consider, and different ways in which they could treat those experiences as relevant.

The critical rule, however, is that colleges can only do that in an individualized way. And as the DOJ/ED guidance suggested, an applicant can help them stay within those boundaries by telling very specific, detailed, personal stories about their experiences, and why they were meaningful to them individually.