Thanks for the suggestions, we’ll look into Case, WPI, RPI and Lehigh. We know that UCs won’t look at SATs but think he has a good chance at UCs anyhow he has good extracurriculars, has taken every AP on offer at his school and has very good grades and recommendations. He is probably the top 1or 2 students in his school (they don’t officially rank)and is coming from a public charter school. That is good information to know about Cal Poly - we didn’t know the classes are that small and that does make it more attractive. (i was surprised on the CSU app that you didn’t even get to list ECs just hours and leadership, luckily he has lots of hours and senior leadership roles)… Thanks for all the advice definitely several worth looking at