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Ahhhhhhhhhhh, good ol’ Texan sensibilities!!! :)</p>
<p>San Fransisco values: partial birth abortions, no parental notification for abortions, calling children participating in a christian parade gay haters, not saying a word about gay paraders dressing up as nuns to mock them, voting to not let military recruiters come to schools, income redistribution, welfare state. </p>
<p>You are proud of those values CGM? Cause most clearheaded Americans are disgusted by them.</p>
<p>I understood Rangel’s comment to mean that New Yorkers pay into the system more than they get out of it, whereas in Mississippi the situation is the reverse.</p>
<p>Mississippi’s gains may be due as much to pork barrel politics as programs to address social needs; I do not know the details.</p>
<p>Also, is anyone surprised a New Yorker would make such a comment (to the NY Times) about living anywhere other than in New York??</p>
<p>There ya go again, Golani. This time it is liberals, your other hated group.</p>
<p>Which of those “San Fransisco values” do you support. I am just curious.</p>
<p>golani:</p>
<p>make life easy for us. Make a list and write down:</p>
<p>Things I support:</p>
<p>1…
2…
3…</p>
<p>Things I hate:</p>
<p>1.
2.
3.</p>
<p>i dont understand what you are getting at here.</p>
<p>I like them all (former SF resident)!!!</p>
<p>seriously?</p>
<p>well, partial birth abortion- valid medical proceedure rarely used</p>
<p>wearing nuns costumes…what do people in your town dress like for halloween</p>
<p>calling kids in a Christian Parade carrting anti gay signs gay haters, well…if you are a gay hater, then you should be happy to be called that</p>
<p>welfare state- taking care of those that need it…what a concept, wasn’t that what Jesus wanted- to take care of those in need…imagine that</p>
<p>wealth redritribution- taxes, I assume- well golani, get off the roads, get off your computer, get off your phone, don’t fly, don’t take the bus, go live in a cave</p>
<p>Let us see here- in SF we have oddles of churches, we have oodles of families, we have oodles of colleges, we have oodles of immigrants, we have oodles of all kinds of people who generally manage to get along</p>
<p>values- we value life- so no smoking pretty much everywhere, and somehow people get through it</p>
<p>it is amazing that SF and the Bay Area is filled with compassionate, caring, forward thinking, loving, people who care about others, the planet, the country who truely believe in democracy</p>
<p>yeah, those scary SF values of caring for Planet earth and it inhabitants</p>
<p>partial birth abortions-where is the valid medical procedure, the part where u take the baby halfway out and drill a hole in its head?</p>
<p>nun costumes wasnot halloween but a gay parade</p>
<p>“kids in a christian paradae carring anti gay signs…”- first off it was CHILDREN’s christian parade put on by a Christian Childrens group second, do you have any evidence of that</p>
<p>welfare state- Soviet Union was a welfare state. Is that what Jesus wanted? People should be at least in some ways responsible for themselves and not living off the expense off others</p>
<p>wealth redistribution stunts economic growth, and I dont only mean by business subsidies but by taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor</p>
<p>you forget to address the fact that the city voted to not allow military recruiters in schools and the part about no parental notification for minors having abortions. Would you want your daughters to tell you if they were having abortions?</p>
<p>I forgot to mention you have oodles of illegal immigrants and the city does nothing about them except embraces them and wants nothing to do with stoping the illegal immigration, the push for legalizing drugs, not punishing hard crimminals, but instead putting them through rehab</p>
<p>Not to turn this into a debate about the health of smoking- people should be allowed to smoke if they want-but banning it is part of the San Fran- “control other people”</p>
<p>Maybe I am missing something, but thats not the kind of values that most people want in this country.</p>
<p>partial birth abortions-where is the valid medical procedure, the part where u take the baby halfway out and drill a hole in its head?</p>
<p>nun costumes wasnot halloween but a gay parade</p>
<p>“kids in a christian paradae carring anti gay signs…”- first off it was CHILDREN’s christian parade put on by a Christian Childrens group second, do you have any evidence of that</p>
<p>welfare state- Soviet Union was a welfare state. Is that what Jesus wanted? People should be at least in some ways responsible for themselves and not living off the expense off others</p>
<p>wealth redistribution stunts economic growth, and I dont only mean by business subsidies but by taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor</p>
<p>you forget to address the fact that the city voted to not allow military recruiters in schools and the part about no parental notification for minors having abortions. Would you want your daughters to tell you if they were having abortions?</p>
<p>I forgot to mention you have oodles of illegal immigrants and the city does nothing about them except embraces them and wants nothing to do with stoping the illegal immigration, the push for legalizing drugs, not punishing hard crimminals, but instead putting them through rehab</p>
<p>Not to turn this into a debate about the health of smoking- people should be allowed to smoke if they want-but banning it is part of the San Fran- “control other people”</p>
<p>Maybe I am missing something, but thats not the kind of values that most people want in this country.</p>
<p>wow, I surrender!!! how you want things to be is so enchanting and heartwarming and intellectual it astounds me</p>
<p>come to my town sometime…i give up, because you care nothing for others</p>
<p>and when someone cares nothing for others, it is just sad…</p>
<p>tell me, do you consider yourslef a spiritual or religious person? just curious</p>
<p>and I am pretty much done with trying to talk to someone who has so little compassion…it is just to frustrating</p>
<p>at least others I disagree with honestly care about people…we may not always agree on the path, but we opften have the same distination, you golani, well, all I can say is Karma</p>
<p>Show me a lack of compassion here. Compassion for whom? Dangerous crimminals? Drug users? People who bash children who held a christian rally? Am I showing compassion to the military recruiters? Or to 18/17 year olds by shielding them from the military? Compassion for the well being of girls who get pregnant but do not tell their mothers? Do you want to turn San Fransisco into another USSR because let me tell you that was a very compassionate country. Ultimately that is where the “welfare state” and “income redistribution” will lead.</p>
<p>Yes. I consider myself to be somewhat religious. I am Jewish. I am not Orthodox, but I try to do what I can. My Jewish values teach me many things about life. But hell, I didnt grow up in San Fran so things are a little different where I am.</p>
<p>BUT you know what, all of this has little relevance to the “San Fran values”. Tell me how can you defend some of these things that the city or even you stand for.</p>
<p>O I even forgot to mention huge homelessness because of unreasonable price ceilings on rent. There was even a measure on the San Fran ballot this year to impeach Bush and Cheney. Even Pelosi wont dare try that.</p>
<p>San Francisco’s always been on the ‘fringe’. This is what attracts some people to it and why many others find it amusing. I’m just happy San Francisco is unique.</p>
<p>I’m from California and I’ve heard all the put-downs (e.g., “The Land of Fruits and Nuts”. etc.) and the barbs from politicos and others. It’s hard to work up much sympathy for poor old Mississippi or anyone else.</p>
<p>i love my town…where else can you hve ten different nationalities of restaurant on the same block…and have the navy boys come in once a year (oky i did enjoy that more back when I was single)</p>
<p>you need to visit our fair city, it is not Gamora…its a great place to be</p>
<p>your rants sound so defensive and illogical its kind of cute</p>
<p>do you ignore the people that go to church, help the poor, serve their country, work hard? to ignore the lovely people of this city becuase you have some politica dsagreements does them and yourself all a diservice</p>
<p>SF has the most amazing Jewish Community</p>
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<p>where do you live golani, where have you traveled?</p>
<p>When I refer to “San Fran Values” its not a reflection of some of the great people that live in the city. Obviously they exist. It is a reflection of the mainstream ideology or at least the loudest ideaology. The things I listed are things that the city stands for and maybe certain people or communities do not but that is the way it is. </p>
<p>I live on the east cost, lived in canada, been all over europe</p>