Why is everyone talking about being an ORM this kid isn’t Asian like me I’m confused did everyone just assume???
I’m asking for a friend not myself???
@oPhilippos. Ok, first CC doesn’t allow friends to ask for friends, only parents can ask for someone else. Next an ORM can also be a Caucasian female, especially at LAC’s.
Oh shoot didn’t realize that wasn’t allowed in that case can a mod close this discussion
About 30K students per year score >= 750 on the SAT-CR.
So, how many students have the whole package (1500+, ~4.0, top 10%, high rigor, interesting ECs, ability to meet the EFC … and a serious interest in applying to “elite” schools)? I can’t know for sure, but suspect that number (even after adding high-scoring ACT takers) is less than the total number of admission offers from the top ~20 national universities, which appears to be >50K distinct non-overlapping offers. That’s not even counting the top ~20 LACs (which might add another ~30K offers).
Certainly, the competition is tough and you do need to consider a balanced list of reach-match-safety schools. The top 20-40 holistic admission schools (even collectively) will not prefer every student with the OP’s qualifications to every student with lower stats. But if someone with the OP’s qualifications is seriously interested in one of them, I don’t think s/he should hesitate to apply (as long as one doesn’t pin every hope on just a few super-selective schools like HYPSM).
On the other hand, good quality does extend well beyond the top 40. For many students with the OPs qualifications, the state flagship and other in-state public schools are good low-match/safety options.
@tk21769: We’ve gone over this before, but all 30 RUs/LACs that I consider Ivy-equivalents offer a total of around 25K freshmen slots. Roughly half of those will go to applicants who have strong hooks. That leaves 12.5K for everyone else.
Looking at total offers is meaningless as some applicants get multiple offers.
So yes, someone who is strong but not outstanding in some way likely can end up at one of those schools if they apply smartly, but plenty don’t either.
For a top student with no budget issues, a good way to solve the ‘good quality safety’ issue is to look for a top honors college at a relatively easy to get into university.
UGA Honors, UMD College Park, Clemson Honors, UCincinnati Honors, UMN Twin Cities,
UHouston (3 college towns, 3 urban) are all topnotch. Among the best in the country you have USC Columbia Honors, PSU Schreyer, ASU Barrett. For someone who wants a large University those would be the go-to universities.
In terms of private universities with 3,000+ students look at Fairfield, Creighton, St Olaf, Ithaca, Drake, Butler, starting to express interest now. St Olaf is likely the most competitive of the bunch and interest counts so fill out the request info form. Applying early admission (nonbinding) with a good " why college x" essay, especially in time for any merit aid, would also help with interest.
Not quite safeties but if you demonstrate interest and apply early, you increase your odds and you know by December: Fordham or Wake Forest.
Look at a school like Pitt. It has rolling admissions so you can apply early and get an acceptance and thus it’s better than a safety - you’ll know. It’s a great school and for pre-med will work great. With high stats a chance for merit as well. Honors college, LLCs, etc.