<p>I guess they do have metal detectors but not in all the buildings ( there are 8 or 9 it is an open concept school)
Not the first time a stabbing had occured. A student was killed in 2006 when her boyfriend was dropping her off at school.
[Coroner:</a> Carolina Forest teen shot five times during attack - Local - The Sun News](<a href=“http://www.thesunnews.com/news/local/story/1120403.html]Coroner:”>http://www.thesunnews.com/news/local/story/1120403.html)</p>
<p>The high school in my town has a resource officer there but no metal detectors. My college has at least 1 officer on school grounds all day long patrolling the property and walking the halls. Yes they are armed at all times.</p>
<p>Is the spokesman for the schools an idiot?</p>
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<p>“You can’t always predict a random unplanned act of violence” – huh. Imagine that!</p>
<p>“When the details do come out. . . . Marcus did everything he could to contain that situation” – huh. You know that before the details come out?? Yet your acts of clairvoyance don’t carry over to predicting a random unplanned act of violence; that is unfortunate.</p>
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<p>Perhaps the spokesman knows more about the incident than we do due to his position within the school system, but has been instructed not to elaborate until the investigation is complete?</p>
<p>“‘When the details do come out. . . . Marcus did everything he could to contain that situation’”-- huh. You know that before the details come out?? Yet your acts of clairvoyance don’t carry over to predicting a random unplanned act of violence; that is unfortunate."</p>
<p>Trust me, when the details do come out, Marcus’s greatness will be revealed. Schools don’t typically like to leave themselves open to litigation. This “report” has already been penned.</p>
<p>Knives are more lethal than a lot of people think. You can do a lot of damage with a knife very quickly. Give a friend a marker with the cap off to represent a knife and try to incapacitate them while they “attack” you. Then check how many marks you have on you. Every mark represents a time you were stabbed. Except in real life every time you get stabbed it reduces your ability to defend yourself due to pain, muscular damage, and blood loss.</p>
<p>This officer was put in a horrible position . . . He made the best decision he could while being stabbed multiple times. I think he did the right thing. One lucky stab and that kid could have killed him and then what? He might have started attacking other students. It’s too bad he’s dead, but this isn’t like a police officer shooting a man pulling out a wallet because he “thought it was a gun.” He was literally being stabbed over and over!</p>
<p>Yes, clearly the officer had to stop the attack. But wouldn’t pepper spray or a taser have disabled the student just as effectively as a bullet?</p>
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<p>Pepper spray? Doubt it. A taser would work 9 times out of 10 though. But, if someone is stabbing you repeatedly and attempting to kill you, do you really want to take that chance? A pistol will stop someone every time.</p>
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<p>Oh please. If Skip Gates had been stabbing Crowley multiple times I would have expected that he’d have been shot to death, too. There’s no contradiction in people’s reactions to the Gates case compared to this one. The situations aren’t even remotely comparable. In one case, the officer acted in a logical manner in light of the fact that his very life was in danger. In the other, only the officer’s ego was threatened. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>I do agree, though, that there was nothing “good” about the outcome of this horrible tragedy.</p>
<p>^^If the autistic student who was shot had been black, I think we’d be hearing a very different response here by some. ;)</p>
<p>“^If the autistic student who was shot had been black, I think we’d be hearing a very different response here by some”</p>
<p>Your evidence? And who are you referring to?</p>
<p>Before the race of the victim was known, I was posting things indicating support of the police offer if the officer had acted in self defense against a high school armed with a knife. </p>
<p>If, for instance, the victim had been a kindergardener, I’d feel differently.</p>
<p>Its probable that if the student had been black, he would have been expelled long ago, even though that is likely illegal if he had a behavior mod plan in his IEP
[Catalyst</a> Notebook :: Black males suspended, expelled at increasing rate](<a href=“http://www.catalyst-chicago.org/notebook/index.php/entry/343/Black_males_suspended,_expelled_at_increasing_rate]Catalyst”>http://www.catalyst-chicago.org/notebook/index.php/entry/343/Black_males_suspended,_expelled_at_increasing_rate)</p>
<p>Northstarmom posted:
“Your evidence? And who are you referring to?”</p>
<p>My opinion is based on my perceptions only. I don’t need to offer “evidence” as I would for a factually-based statement. And I think that the people to whom I was referring know good and well. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>“Its probable that if the student had been black, he would have been expelled long ago, even though that is likely illegal if he had a behavior mod plan in his IEP”</p>
<p>Exactly. You cannot expel or suspend someone for behavior related to his handicapping condition, but I guess you can kill him. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>My observations on Taser use is that they are typically used at some distance from the person and I would guess that there would be some time required to charge the capacitor so that it could deliver the voltage, similar to how a camera flash works. This would make it far less useful in close-fighting situations. It’s useful for an officer at a distance as the officer has a gun if the person approaches with a short-range weapon.</p>
<p>Interesting. Although both parties involved in this incident were white, the NAACP issued this statement regarding the incident:</p>
<p>“The tragic situation that occurred at Carolina Forest High School in Horry County, South Carolina, is reflective of a deeply troubling trend of excessive use of force by school resource officers. The altercation left the young student, diagnosed with autism, in the morgue while the police officer was able to go home. There are serious questions that must be aggressively investigated: Was the officer trained in the techniques to work with individuals with autism, or mental illness? Did the officer use all available means to contain the situation without using deadly force? Should school resource officers be allowed to carry guns in schools?”</p>
<p>[NAACP</a> Joins Local Branch in Calling For Resignation of Louisiana Justice of The Peace](<a href=“http://www.naacp.org/news/press/2009-10-17/]NAACP”>http://www.naacp.org/news/press/2009-10-17/)</p>
<p>“Interesting. Although both parties involved in this incident were white, the NAACP issued this statement regarding the incident:”</p>
<p>Interesting that you previously implied that CC posters who supported Prof Gates in his dispute with Cambridge police would have been complaining if the resource officer had killed a black teen. The fact that the NAACP is questioning the school shooting while an NAACP member like myself thus far is leaning more toward the officer demonstrates that not all liberals or for that matter black people think the same on such issues.</p>
<p>I think that the NAACP is asking good questions. I also believe, however, that if the student attacked stabbed the officer with a knife before the officer shot the student, the officer’s use of a gun probably was justified. </p>
<p>Certainly, it would be appropriate for all police and other security officials to have training in coping with people with mental illness. Such training, however, doesn’t mean that police never would have to use lethal force to protect themselves or the public from mentally ill people.</p>
<p>“Interesting that you previously implied that CC posters who supported Prof Gates in his dispute with Cambridge police would have been complaining if the resource officer had killed a black teen.”</p>
<p>Yes, I implied that and I stand by it completely. Just because I’m the only one who will come out and say it doesn’t mean that I’m the only one who thinks it. A review of your posting history, NSM, will reveal that you make a racial issue out of any-and everything possible, and you are the most frequent thread starter about these things. Unfortunately, that has weakened the cause for outrage in real cases of racism.</p>
<p>But back to the topic. I think the NAACP’s statement was a good one…and I’m not a member. 
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<p>I do love the hypocisy of your giving this resource officer the benefit of the doubt, while coming to immediate conclusions about Crowley, who had a virtually spotless record of police service. :rolleyes: Why do you think that is, NSM?</p>
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<p>now who’s playing the race card?..:rolleyes: FYI, I had no knowledge of the race of either the student, or the resource officer involved in this incident when I posted. I still don’t know the race of the officer. In my view, it makes not the slightest bit of difference. The kid stabbed the resource officer repeatedly. What? Was he supposed to wait until the blade struck a major artery before he defended himself? I would feel the same way had the student been black. Once a person is under attack with a deadly weapon, all bets are off. You can race bait all you want here purple, but I’ll not be biting. I don’t see where the resource officer violated the kid’s Constitutional rights the way Crowley violated Gate’s (not to mention a number of procedure rules and Massachusetts laws). And had Gates been white, the Constitutional breach would have been just as illegal. But yet again, the two cases bear no comparison. You are the one making this thing about race, purple, which is ironic in light of your attack upon Northstarmom. Look in the mirror.</p>