<p>The northern Ivy League consists of:
Yale, Penn, Princeton, Darmouth, Harvard, Cornell, Brown, Columbia</p>
<p>The southern Ivy League consists of:
Yale, Penn, Princeton, Darmouth, Harvard, Cornell, Brown, Columbia</p>
<p>Ironically, these lists are identical because there is only one Ivy League</p>
<p>I would say the best schools in the south (in order go) </p>
<p>1) Duke
<p>So that would probably be the Ivy League of the South…(although only the first two would really be in contention [in terms of prestige and academics] with the Ivys)</p>
<p>^^^</p>
<p>I don’t think many people consider WUSTL to be a southern school.</p>
<p>And the other intangible is that the people in the Ivy League would love to assuage for good the ugly history of their relationships with Southern and Catholic education and universities respectively.</p>
<p>I would say the best schools in the south are (no order because I think there is no sense to it) Duke, Georgetown (borderline to call it Southern, but OK let’s do it), Vanderbilt, UVA, Wake Forest, UNC, Tulane, and Emory. Johns Hopkins (get the name right please) is not in the south, and neither is Wash U. And I would debate your contention that Johns Hopkins and WUSTL are not on par with Duke and Georgetown, but moot point for this discussion since they are not southern. Also not counting Miami as part of the south since only the northern half of Florida has any southern character as it is commonly thought of.</p>
<p>Vienna man - what “ugly history” would that be?</p>
<p>Washington U and Johns Hopkins do not have the athletic profiles to partner in an athletic league, and don’t offer the Ivy League the additional TV revenue or national media exposure that Duke and Georgetown would provide. For this to work, there must be something in it for the Ivy Schools and there clearly would be with Georgetown and Duke.</p>
<p>I don’t expect the Ivy league to expand, but I don’t think TV exposure or revenue would be their motivation anyway. It is absurd to think that two highly ranked, highly competitive basketball programs like Duke and Georgetown would commit to playing a full schedule against the Yales and Browns of the world, as Pierre pointed out. The whole thing is absurd and off point for this thread anyway. The question was could there be a Magnolia Conference (way better than “Southern Ivy”) that would include academically competitive but athletically less competitive schools of the south. I think there was a time when this was possible, but with revenues for schools like Vandy and Duke being so high, not to mention that they are very competitive in basketball, I don’t think there are enough incentives to make it happen. I would like to see it for football only for some teams like Duke, Tulane, Vandy, etc. but it is a pipe dream now. I just don’t think they would split off that way. Are they even allowed to do that by SEC and ACC rules? Anyway, It would have had to happen in the 1960’s realistically. Too much money at stake now.</p>
<p>Either you’re for Duke or against Duke. There’s nothing special about BC, VPI, Wake Forest, NC State, Clemson, GT, F$U, and Miami. Maryland is a school full Georgeotown rejects, who are jealous of Duke and Duke students. dUNCe is another school that’s full of students who are jealous of Duke. UVa is nice, because it’s a ranked school, has a beautiful campus, and a great athletic program.</p>
<p>Believe it or not, football is not the only sport in the ACC, and Duke has a great athletic program. The Duke men’s basketball, women’s basketball, women’s tennis, women’s golf, men’s lacrosse, women’s lacrosse, and women’s field hockey teams are consistently ranked among the top 10 in the nation.</p>
<p>In ACC competition, Duke has won a grand total of 112 championships and 42 championships since 1999-2000, which is the second highest total in the ACC. In women’s athletics, Duke has won 48 titles, which is second highest total in the ACC. Also, Duke also holds records for the most consecutive ACC titles in: women’s tennis (14), women’s golf (13), men’s basketball (5), women’s basketball (5), and volleyball (4, tied).</p>
<p>Most importantly, Duke is the best in the classroom (as you would expect), which is evident by the fact that Duke has placed the most student-athletes on the ACC Honor Roll 21 of the past 22 years, including a streak of 20 consecutive years.</p>
<p>When you consider the facts that Duke is ranked among the top 10 universities in the country and top 15 in the world, has a gorgeous campus, and has a great athletic program, it’s very easy to see why people are jealous of Duke. For this reason, Duke ignores the haters and pretenders…</p>
<p>I cannot conceive of Duke and Georgetown being willing to give up their basketball scholarships to join the Ivy League and they would have to or all of their 16 games against the existing teams would be blowouts. Duke presumably would also give up its share of ACC basketball and football $ from football bowl and basketball conference tournament and NCAA games, and Georgetown its share of Big East basketball $, although I do not know how the latter works.</p>
<p>It is also not clear why the Ivies would feel a need to expand or why Duke and Georgetown would want to leave.</p>
<p>geez DukeAlum, not saying there are not Duke haters in the world, but no one here was doing that, were they? Little sensitive there, aren’t we? Besides, most of us agreed with you in general about the sports thing, but we were talking revenue sports anyway. Not much money in college tennis, golf, etc. etc. Chill man.</p>
<p>Seems pretty immature to come on here and complain about people that put down Duke and then say
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<p>Makes you look very good as a Duke alum, for sure. I guess they didn’t teach you any class at Duke.</p>
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<p>Jealous of what, exactly? Your ugly girls, your crappy athletics, your ghetto city, or the fact that you pay 5 times as much as us to have half the fun?</p>
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<p>Duke football is a joke. Duke basketball will never be as good as their rival 8 miles down the road. UNC has set the athletic standard for this state and for most of the country, with Duke always playing second (or third) fiddle within North Carolina’s borders in pretty much every sport. We aren’t known as UNC-the University of National Champions-for nothing. </p>
<p>Bottom line is, you can lie to yourself all you want, but UNC is better than Duke in pretty much everything. Better sports, better campus, and better people.</p>
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<p>Just her inferiority complex shining through; most of us are used to it by now. Most Dookies aren’t nearly as ignorant as 2003. If you’re a hardcore women’s golf fanatic, by all means go to Duke. If you care about sports that people actually go to (football, basketball, soccer, baseball), well, Duke will leave you constantly wanting more.</p>
<p>To include Georgetown and Hopkins in this “Southern Ivy League” conference and not include Rice, which is actually in the South/Southwest area baffles me. DC/Baltimore are NOT part of the South… close but not quite. </p>
<p>The original “Southern Ivy League” (the Magnolia Conference) was supposed to contain Duke, Rice, Tulane, Vanderbilt, and SMU at the outset. Schools such as Emory, UNC, Wake Forest, UVA, and William and Mary are associated with the Southern Ivy League in a colloquial fashion but I don’t think they was ever an attempt to have them join the Magnolia Conference. Check this link out: [Southern</a> Ivy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“Southern Ivy - Wikipedia”>Southern Ivy - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>Cuse0507- if you really want to represent what a great school UNC is, you could try being a little more civil. I hope your posts are not a reflection of typical UNC males. “Ugly Girls” is very immature and sexist, as girls are not a fixture of any school, they are intelligent students. That vocabulary is very derogatory.</p>
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<p>My apologies, I was merely responding to disparaging comments make by DukeAlumnus2003. Fight fire with fire, isn’t that how it goes? But you’re right, I shouldn’t have stooped to DA2003’s level, and I retract the “ugly girls” comment. I stand by my other arguments, however. :)</p>
<p>slik nik - I guess people will argue about this forever, but I actually think DC is more southern than Houston, defining southern more as a way of life than geography. Hence Miami is not “southern”. While DC itself is not particularly southern any longer I will grant you, at least inasmuch as it is part of Virginia (in essence) and Virginia is certainly southern it is close. I draw the line at the Virginia border though. Maryland doesn’t make it. Houston (and all of Texas) is very different in character from Louisiana, Miss., Alabama, etc. etc. JMHO</p>
<p>Cuse - I gotta agree with njmom. Just tell them they are being a jerk and move on. Don’t be one yourself. Nice that you apologized, right thing to do.</p>
<p>Accepted! The UNC graduates I know are very nice people, remember your good southern manners and keep up the tradition!</p>
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<p>Thanks, NJ. And for the record, the few girls I know that do go to Duke are all quite attractive. It is just people like DA2003 that leave a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to Duke. But, as I said earlier, most Dookies are pleasant people and are not as arrogant as the one that keeps posting here. :)</p>
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<p>This is Duke’s greatest liability IMO.</p>
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<li>Is Duke a Top 10 school? Probably.</li>
<li>Is Duke a Top 15 school? Yes.</li>
<li>Is Duke one of the best schools in the country? Absolutely.</li>
<li>Are there people who love Duke to the death? Yes.</li>
<li>Are there just as many people (or perhaps more) who love to hate Duke? Yes.</li>
<li>Is there a portion of the public that attach that hatred as a result of its b-ball program? Yes.</li>
<li>Did the lacrosse scandal add fuel to that biased view? Probably.</li>
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<p>The thing is if you could to attend any Top 10-15 school, and you are ambivalent or indifferent to big time sports (or more specifically basketball), then Duke has that one knock against it – and that is a built in percentage of people that love to hate your school (perhaps unjustifiably, perhaps unfairly) but that bias is undeniable. Notre Dame and USC are also great schools that face similar sports-related “love to hate” biases (albeit for football rather than basketball). </p>
<p>Now having said that, the anti-Duke bias is also more complicated than those other sports-related biases – and the lacrosse scandal highlighted / brought to the forefront that uncomfortable undercurrent – which is, namely, racial bias. It certainly didn’t help Duke’s reputation and it may have been a coincidence that Duke is located in the South (but IMO it isn’t a coincidence – and frankly the hubris displayed by “Dukies” certainly does not help matters). You simply have to ask yourself, what other elite US university has racial bias attached to it?</p>
<p>In other words, there isn’t a tangible group of people that “hate” Dartmouth or Penn or Chicago just for being Dartmouth or Penn or Chicago. </p>
<p>So, while we can acknowledge that Duke has a great academic program we must also acknowledge that this also comes with an undeniable amount of non-academic related baggage (whether deserved or not). And that is the ugly truth.</p>
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The only “scandal” was the way the administration threw the students under the bus. “Incident” or “case” might be a better choice of wording.</p>
<p>It’s probably nitpicking, but I was present at Duke for the pot-banging and shared a hall with several very decent lax players one year. The whole thing left a bitter taste.</p>