Spending the Night on an unofficial visit

<p>I'll say this, we've done both official and unofficial visits in two sports</p>

<p>one was a non-revenue sport the other was revenue generating sport</p>

<p>the non revenue coach, meet with us, arranged for her to run around with potential teammates and left the overnight up to her. Her food and other accomodations came out of my pocket--unofficially of course we did go to a football game free......</p>

<p>the revenue sport
the sports office contacted my daughter and coordinated a date, an airline ticket was sent with a very specific sport/academic school. Everything was coordinated through their office my daugther ate well off campus, attended a basketball game and sat court side. She had a seperate meeting with the coach and his staff and she spoke with the compliance as well as the admission officer handling her file---again all coordinated by the AD ,and within the 48 hours rule. She was also given the option to stay longer and attend practice, but she would have had to pay for her food.</p>

<p>the difference was on the unofficial visits at least one parent was there, the officials where all handled by the school.</p>

<p>imafan, is she a junior?</p>

Yes - she's a junior. I'm just puzzled because the school has been pursuing her hard core, and we are going (me too) to visit - across the country! It is a potentially good fit. She's said she's willing to stay with a member of the team, but they haven't bitten on that part. She will meet the coach, go to practice, get the tour, meet the academic advisor too.</p>

<p>I was just wondering if the coach arranging the sleepover was NOT allowed.</p>

<p>On an unofficial visit, she can stay in the dorms but will probably have to pay a small fee (~20$) The only thing the University can provide on an unofficial are complimentary athletic event tickets.</p>

<p>ima, so much depends on how each school "usually" does things. I took my D on a number of unofficials and she never spent the night, though was offered a few. </p>

<p>She's a college senior now, so my perspective on visits from the host point of view is much different. It's somewhat of a big responsibility for athletes to host. They have to keep their charge safe, tucked in on time, and amused. If it's finals week, mid-season, party season, etc., it can be a lot to ask to find a girl who can and will give up a night to take care of a high school junior. During regular official recruiting season, it's a responsibility shared by the whole team. </p>

<p>I'd not push too hard for an overnight. Official visit time will be here soon, and that's the key time to meet the team. Current seniors will be gone, the new freshmen will be part of things, and your daughter will get a much better feel for who will be there if she picks that school.</p>

<p>^That's a very good point. Since more kids take unofficials than officials it could probably become a real burden on the current students if the school set that precedent. We did all the uns in nearby hotels (got the 'University rate' FWIW)</p>

<p>Daughter was asked to go on an unofficial about this time last year and the sleepover was arranged by the coaches who met us when we got to campus. Spouse and I stayed at a hotel in town. The plan was for one night for sure, two if everyone comfortable. D spent two nights at the school, went to classes, saw a practice, went to two games and some parties.</p>

<p>Unofficial visits--no $ (other than tickets to athletic event) Official visits $--NCAA rules-- if the team sent you plane tickets even in a revenue producing sport-- violation, I believe, unless it counts as your official visit.</p>

<p>^ Correct. AND I believe there are strict rules about yr of hs---so flying in a Jr would be a big no no as well....</p>

<p>IMHO staying in a dorm on an "unofficial" is a lot to ask of the college student and coach.
There is a lot involved for the hosting student.
Our freshman hosted several on their offical visits... and as RiverRunner mentioned..there is a lot involvedthat impacts a current students day/evening beyond the classes, meals, practices, study hrs etc... </p>

<p>For our student's unofficials...Jr yr, we stayed at a nearby hotel, toured campus, met coaches and saw facilities etc, watched practice.
Sr yr, Official visits our student flew to school, stayed w/ teammates in dorms, etc etc.</p>

<p>IMAFAN, if your student has the academic stats and athletic stats...thats why they are pursuing...Come the end of jr yr...be sure to send a copy of current transcript, test scores etc to the coaches of the schools she is interested in...so they can pre-read. Come mid summer things will really start cooking and officals can be put on the calendar.</p>

<p>Can the coach sanction and coordinate a player spending the night with a team member on an unofficial visit? In my case, the coach has invited my D for an unofficial visit.</p>

<p>No. An unofficial visit would be coordinated by you. Basically, if the coach is encouraging an unofficial visit, he is encouraging your daughter to meet with him at the college. No more no less. The best part is the coach will be free to discuss just about anything during the unofficial visit, and there is no time limitaton. Your daughter will be responisble for any travel, hotel or eating arrangements. If she can stay with friends or family on campus, so much the better. Official Visits would be coordinated by the Coach on your behalf, any you are limited to 48 hours on campus.</p>

<p>Junior Days are typically different. All the arrangements are made by the college and coaches. JUnior Days typcially bring in a bunch of recruits that get an academic and athletic sales pitch from various deans, admissions and coaches that collaborate on the effort. </p>

<p>Official visit...... Any visit to a college campus by you and your parents paid for by the college. The college may pay all or some ofthe following expenses: </p>

<p>• Your transportation to and from the college
• Room and meals (three per day) while you are visiting the college
• Reasonable entertainment expenses, including three complimentary admissions to a home athletics contest. </p>

<p>Before a college may invite you on an official visit, you will have to provide the college with a copy of your high school transcript (Division I only) and ACT, SAT or PLAN score and register with the NCAA Eligibility Center.</p>

<p>Unofficial Visit.....Unofficial visit. Any visit by you and your parents to a college campus paid for by you or your parents. The only expense you may receive from the college is three complimentary admissions to a home athletics contest. You may make as many unofficial visits as you like and may take those visits at any time. The only time you cannot talk with a coach during an unofficial visit is during a dead period.</p>

<p>Thanks all for the great feedback. All is on the up and up. The coaches from two west coast schools asked her to consider coming for unofficial visits. We are paying for flights and airfare and the coaches are meeting her for practice and a tour. Recently a nearby school emailed her too, and as long as we're only an hour away, we'll add them to the list.</p>

<p>Appreciate everyone's insight. I feel better that we're not spinning our wheels and spending our money recklessly just because they haven't coordinated an overnight.</p>

<p>Varska, sleeping in the dorms technically requires some $ on an unofficial? Amazing. Just seems like it's not much different than any student's friend visiting for the weekend and sleeping on the floor.</p>

<p>No firsthand experience on that one - we did hotels during D's unofficials. But the NCAA doesn't allow the school to give the student anything of value (except tickets to a home game) during an unofficial visit. So if the school puts the kid up in a dorm, they have to charge the going rate for the room (semester room rate / days in the semester).</p>

<p>Of course if he/she has a friend on campus and arranges to sleep over - the school didn't arrange or authorize it, so no foul.</p>

<p>The NCAA is so unbelievably random on what they choose to crack down on. If I were a college coach, I wouldn't even consider having a student stay on campus on an unofficial. So much room for liability, and accusation of wrong-doing, not to even mention the money question.</p>

<p>^So true. I suppose the NCAA has to draw some kind of line in the sand with regard to visit housing, lest some football powerhouse program builds a luxury suite available to any VIP recruit whenever they choose to take one of their unlimited unofficial visits.</p>

<p>varska & riverrunner</p>

<p>that is why I preferenced my response to this in terms of revenue and non-revenue producing sports. Most non-revenue sports have the luxury of having interested prospectives with the means/ability to take "unofficial visits and it's really no skin off their back. the revenue sports are under much tighter watch, because you don't want the appearance of "buying a player".......trust me it happens all the time, I knew from when I played, I've seen my best friends nephew be in the middle of NCAA sanction being leveled against a basketball program stripping them of NIT/NCAA final four records etc...and by the same token I've rode in cars driven by players who didn't even have a drivers license.</p>

<p>Official visits are what the NCAA watches and records are maintained on each one for compliance purposes so those if you are granted one are best handled through the A/D.</p>

<p>but if mom or dad are in a hotel and the kids "happens" to sleep in the dorms no eyebrows should go up. The parents paid for a room and the kid chose to have a sleepover. There are no overnight guest fees at any dorm I ever heard of. We only did D3 and a couple D2's. No overnights at D2. One provided luncheon for athletes and families, it was a daylong visit for over 20 athletes.</p>

<p>So much depends on the college's recent history with the NCAA. Our local university had a few hundred dollars in violations over the last couple of years, none of them serious- I'm talking treat bags for team members provided by a mom (value= less than $10 per athlete), couch space for recruits at a summer camp, etc. Over this, our AD lost his job, the University paid THOUSANDS of dollars in fines, lost access to recruits and lost practice days. NCAA is just "enforcing the rules." Coaches at this school don't offer recruits a stick of gum.</p>

<p>^^Wow! That's just so overboard and ridiculous. Perhaps we're even being spied on by overzealous NCAA officials posing as curious parents on CC! As a point of clarification, we did pay for floor space, shower privileges and 32 cubic yards of air during kid's unofficial visit. I was mistaken if I reported anything else. My apologies.</p>

<p>From Notre Dame:
Recruiting-Unofficial Visits Visits</a> - Athletics Compliance - University of Notre Dame</p>

<p>A prospective student-athlete may visit an institution's campus at his or her own expense an unlimited number of times. Unofficial (non-paid) visits may be made prior to the prospect's senior year in high school.</p>

<p>The ONLY expense that an institution can provide during an unofficial visit is the following:</p>

<pre><code>Three complimentary admissions to a home athletics event may be provided to the prospect and those accompanying the prospect on the unofficial visit. Admissions are administered through a pass list with valid identification.The institution may provide up to two additional complimentary admissions for the prospect's parents, should a non-traditional family structure (divorce, separation) exist, in order to accommodate all parents accompanying a prospect on an unofficial visit. The institution may not reserve additional tickets to be purchased by the prospect or those persons accompanying them on their unofficial visit. Tickets may only be purchased in the same manner as the general public.

<p>A prospective student-athlete on an unofficial visit may pay the actual cost of meals (or the regular cost of training table meals) and eat with other prospective student-athletes who are on their official visits or with enrolled student-athletes. Prospects making an unofficial visit may reside in the dormitories. Notre Dame Residence Life does not currently assess a cost for an overnight dormitory accommodation.</p>