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<p>Too bad Stanford doesn’t give any financial aid to internationals.</p>
<p>@perseverence - Apparently that isn’t exactly true, although it does appear to be more limited than it is for American students. <a href=“Financial Aid : Stanford University”>Financial Aid : Stanford University;
<p>Stanford does, in fact, offer financial aid to internationals. Unfortunately, it does not do nearly enough to create an internationally diverse student body, relative to peer schools (check out how much Harvard, Yale, Cornell, Brown spend). I don’t know what’s up with Cali schools. Pomona and Stanford both have massive resources but it seems that they actively choose not to spend money on internationals, and “limit” the aid budgets for them (if they wanted to, they could become need-blind for internationals too). I’m very, very curious about their reasoning for doing so.</p>
<p>When President Hennessy was visiting my freshman dorm, he said that increasing aid to internationals was absolutely a priority. However, many donors give money directly to certain causes, which results in a much more limited endowment than one might think (for financial aid spending). Additionally, their aid for domestic students is so much more generous than most schools (with Harvard, Yale, Princeton and Rice, actually, right behind) that the student body does manage to be incredibly diverse</p>
<p>Will Stanford consider to give all admitted students (just admit the right number for enrolling) full ride since most of them may give back more than their college expenses? For upper level middle-class parents, paying full is a struggle. I know a kid was admitted to Stanford but ended up going to the state school because his family would be full-pay at Stanford and pay nothing at state school.</p>
<p>“Pomona and Stanford both have massive resources but it seems that they actively choose not to spend money on internationals”</p>
<p>I think Stanford is doing the right thing. Foreign kids are mostly less mature than kids grew up in America. Having a kid travel from thousands of miles away with less than comfortable of English, cultural shock, away from parents… all at the same time is too hard for them. Encouraging them to come is not helping them. I think taking foreign students for graduate schools is a better approach.</p>
<p>‘Foreign kids are mostly less mature than kids grew up in America.’ This is by far the most ignorant thing I have read on CC. </p>
<p>‘with less than comfortable of English’ are you serious? lol. You know, it’s okay not to comment on stuff you just don’t know about. </p>
<p>^@international95 You can say whatever you want to say but apparently you were not grew up in the culture, and you didn’t deal with undergraduate international students here in America. My spouse and I have seen thousands, helped dozens, and sent half a dozen home.</p>
<p>After they came here, the first classes are ELP. Some of them passed after a year, some took for 3 years and are still in ELP classes solely.</p>
<p>Regarding the immaturity, the problem is their parents never asked them to do anything; the parents expected their kids to just focus on study and nothing else - no house chores, no volunteer work, no summer jobs, no need to worry about anything…they are just princes and princesses. I even have one who was a graduate student when she was in town; she was 29 years old, single, very pretty, and with all her apartment decorations in Hello Kitty. This is not one occasion but very common.</p>
<p>If you pay attention, the majority of international students are from Asia because of the Asian parents’ focus on education. Other than top 20-30 university undergrads, other university Asian undergrads came here because they could never pass college entrance exam to go to college. They were mostly spoiled and don’t do anything. A huge portion of them play games more than 10 hours a day and don’t go anywhere include classes. </p>
<p>Note: I did say ‘mostly’ in the sentence you quoted and not saying ‘all’. </p>
<p>Do you honestly think the kind of international students that go to Stanford or other top schools/selective LACs are inferior to American undergrads? On the contrary, international students at selective schools tend to perform better (in the case of one school: <a href=“http://www.reed.edu/ir/ir_internal_web/gradratebyethnicity.html”>http://www.reed.edu/ir/ir_internal_web/gradratebyethnicity.html</a>). While this select group is obviously not representative of the vast majority of internationals in the US, conflating it with the representative group is silly. There are schools that invest in the value that <em>competent</em> internationals bring to their schools, including schools like Mount Holyoke, a school of 2400 (which spends $15m on international aid every year, in sharp contrast to Stanford’s measly $6m) and Princeton (slightly under $20m).</p>
<p>You can believe whatever you want to believe without any evidence.</p>
<p>To me, it is crystal clear that foreign kids’ better option is to come to America for graduate schools - most possibly with TA, RA, or scholarships but not financial aid.</p>
<p>“Do you honestly think the kind of international students that go to Stanford or other top schools/selective LACs are inferior to American undergrads?”
I had other posts that international students in TOP UNIVERSITIS are on par or superior than many domestic students academically, but not other international students. However, even for the high caliber ones staying in their country for undergrad then come here for graduate is much better since they are able to qualify their college entrance exams and still be able to connect to family members in their countries during their undergraduate years.</p>
<p>^ To be clear, the last paragraph include undergraduate international students only.</p>
<p>For graduate students, they all had to be about top 10% of their year to pass college entrance exam to go to good colleges; and then about top 10% of college graduates to get scholarship/assistantship to come to most research or top universities.</p>
<p>(Couldn’t change the previous post after 15 minutes…)</p>
<p>You should also know that the so called international students who apply to selective universities for undergraduate education include a large portion of kids whose parents were international graduate students who stay for jobs after graduation. These kids may have been in US for many years; been through elementary school/middle school/high school but their visa status (and their parents’) are still in process toward citizenship.</p>
<p>Honestly disgusting posts from @Findmoreinfo.
Quite a nice way to generalize thousands of people. For your information, international students, especially from Asia (which you seem to have a hatred for) are FAR more qualified than the domestic students at schools like Stanford. They deserve to be here in that sense. Now you can make other arguments for why Stanford shouldn’t be need blind for international students, but you shouldn’t slander a massive group of people like that for your argument.
Your argument is about on par with an argument that I can construe that Stanford should admit less black people because statically they are far more driven to violent crime. See how dumb that sounds?</p>
<p>“Quite a nice way to generalize thousands of people. For your information, international students, especially from Asia (which you seem to have a hatred for) are FAR more qualified than the domestic students at schools like Stanford.”</p>
<p>Sorry, I don’t have hatred for international students from Asia, I came from Asia and helped a whole lot of students here in The States, I saw tragedies first hand.</p>
<p>If you don’t know how international students from Asia are different, you don’t know anything about them except yourself (if you are one). Let me give you an idea of how different they are:</p>
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<li><p>Those who came from Asia with their parents when they were young, started elementary or middle school here but have not gotten perminant residency or citizenship yet. They are basically domestic students but couldn’t apply as a domestic student. (in most cases their parents were graduate students in US and stayed for jobs after graduation, it took long for their parents to get citizenship)</p></li>
<li><p>Kids who grew up in Asia, have a dream to come to America and work hard to apply for undergraduate. These are high-achieving ones who are better than many domestic students and may get in to top universities (may or may not be better than category one or second-generation Asian Americans whose parents came here as grad students).</p></li>
<li><p>US citizens who were born in America and their parents took them back to their country of origin. Grew up in Asia and want to come to the states for undergraduate education. They are citizens but with Asian culture. Many of them went to English-speaking middle/high schools that originally designed for American kids who went overseas with their parents for a couple of years. These can be really good if their parents finished their graduate degrees and went back to work in their country. It can also be struggling if their parents pay a visit to America just to give birth to the child 17 or 18 years ago.</p></li>
<li><p>Kids who were sent to America for middle school or high school to stay with their relatives but their parents didn’t come with them. </p></li>
<li><p>Kids who already took college entrance exam in their country and couldn’t get accepted to good universities and their parents are wealthy enough to send them to go to ‘open admission’ universities or not very selective colleges with out-of-state full tuition (about 50k to 60k a year in a public university). The vast majority are in this category.</p></li>
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<p>You can see how different they are. The outstnading Asian internationals are in the 1-3 categories mostly and possibly 4; but all together they are still less than category 5. The more problematic ones are in the 5th category, need a lot of care to make sure they are doing fine. </p>
<p>"international students, especially from Asia (which you seem to have a hatred for) are FAR more qualified than the domestic students at schools like Stanford. "</p>
<p>Not really. You are generalizing. The domestic Asian second generation students whose parents came as graduate students are possibly more qualified since they have the advantage of a native English speaker. As the parents are top 1% of Asia, they are about the top 1% of America assuming all races are with about the same intelligence. </p>
<p>And what is your evidence, Findmoreinfo? Your experience? You, too, “can believe whatever you want to believe without any evidence.”</p>
<p>Evident by many many many highly qualified Asian Americans got into top universities while the population is only 4% of America. Many more qualified ones were turned down by selective universities. </p>
<p>On the university side there is no need to accept international Asian students (since they have enough high-achieving Asian American applicants); except if international applicants can pay in full. So why do universities need to give out financial aid to international students? Enough said.</p>
<p>While I believe some of y’all are being a bit truculent, I think that universities steer away from giving aid to international students because there are fewer and they may be a lesser priority (and I think universities are not need-blind to international student). I could be wrong, however, this is just speculation.</p>