Stanford or Harvard/Yale/Princeton/MIT, or Others?

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<p>Harvard and Stanford cross-admitted 398, 32% of total non-matriculates (664) went to Harvard, or 212 went to Harvard. Those 212 represent 62% of S/H cross-admits, so 38%*212/62% = 130 should be the ones went to Stanford, and 398-212-130=56 should be the ones went somewhere else.</p>

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<p>Phantasmagoric - Too bad you did nt bookmark it so you could provide it to us!</p>

<p>I was only making a wild guess at all 4 being a 100. Apparently whoever was keeping track of the numbers at Stanford was only checking head to head and not across board since they only care about who they lost out to.
I know at least one candidate from 2009 batch who was admitted to Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, UPenn and waitlisted at Yale who was planning to go to Harvard until the week before commitment but ended up at Stanford.</p>

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<p>Interesting about Columbia and Stanford. One would think with two school so closely ranked that New York City would be as much as a draw as California. But perception is everything - my DD thinks Stanford is the better and more prestigious school.</p>

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<p>I understand everything except where you got that Stanford and Harvard cross-admitted 398. That was essentially what I was asking about, because I could figure out the 342, but not that extra 56.</p>

<p>@texaspg that’s the chart I linked to in post #16</p>

<p>@mema32 I just read that Stanford has an 85% yield among students it admits from NYC. So apparently they just want to get out of there.</p>

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<p>You obviously missed another piece:</p>

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<p>Shaw turned to other universities, telling faculty 26 percent of students admitted to the Class of 2014 also were admitted to UC-Berkeley; 21 percent to UC-Los Angeles; 18 percent to Princeton; 17 percent to Harvard; 15 percent to Yale; 13 percent to UC-San Diego; 14 percent to Duke; and 13 percent to M.I.T.</p>

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<p>And this was in an article of stanforddaily.com</p>

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<p>Ah, good to know. I thought there was some complex statistical inference going on that I was missing (it was bugging me so much that I couldn’t figure it out that I started to consider an absurdly complex model I learned in an advanced class… then realized, no, that’s pointless, I definitely don’t have enough data). ;)</p>

<p>This is a total guess, but I think that of HYPSM, only H and S can claim a yield >50% against the other four as a single group.</p>

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<p>Interesting information. Personally, Stanford would not be my top choice school for ALL cases (i.e., I’d choose most Ivies over it).</p>

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<p>liv4physics, as I posted upthread, it’s definitely wise to make these choices depending on one’s personal profile, goals and preferences, rather than on what statistics show to be the “revealed preferences” of an undifferentiated group. However–you’re not likely to be in a position to make this kind of choice with your 580 CR score, so you may want to focus on improving that before worrying about whether you would “choose” Ivies, Stanford, etc. That’s kind of a red flag at all of the colleges under discussion. Good luck to you.</p>

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<p>thanks ewho and Phantasmagoric. I am hoping to see an update from both of you that refers to 2011 at some point in the future.</p>

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<p>I have to leave this to stanford students as a undergraduate research project. But, it is a Ph.D. research topic at Harvard.</p>

<p>P.S. I think that Princeton accepts the most of the hypsm cross-admits of the five schools each year.</p>

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<p>How about those kids accepted in top BS/MD programs like Brown, Northwestern or Rice/Baylor, will they take Stanford instead???</p>

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<p>I have a 50:50 based on a sample of 2 over a 6 period! The first one chose HPME out of a choice of Stanford and HPME six years ago and the second one chose Stanford over HPME, Harvard, Princeton, Columbia and UPenn 2 years ago.</p>

<p>edit: I do have one more sample from 6 years ago - Stanford over rice/baylor.</p>

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<p>in tabular form for the Class of 2014:</p>

<p>Stanford cross admit % - HYPM admit %
38/62 - Harvard
50/50 - Yale
63/37 - Princeton
60/40 - MIT</p>

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<p><a href=“http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jdI0Wl7_OvQ/TLhTOCSeRBI/AAAAAAAAAG0/eH9OEZt6i8g/s1600/HYPSM_cross-admits_2002-2010.bmp[/url]”>http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jdI0Wl7_OvQ/TLhTOCSeRBI/AAAAAAAAAG0/eH9OEZt6i8g/s1600/HYPSM_cross-admits_2002-2010.bmp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Stanford cross admit % Avg. - HYPM admit % Avg.
32/68 - Harvard
44/56 - Yale
58/42 - Princeton
48/52 - MIT</p>

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<p>Now, the biggest question is:</p>

<p>What is going to happen to the HYPSM cross admit percentages for the Class of 2016 (2012 admissions cycle), once Harvard and Princeton begin to use the SCEA for that year?</p>

<p>thoughts?</p>

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<p>^ Stanford will overtake Yale and come closer to taking half with Harvard (and continue taking the majority from Princeton and MIT). Princeton will continue to lose the majority of cross-admits with HYPM, for various reasons: it’s perceived as the least desirable, its grade deflation policies and eating clubs will scare students off, etc.</p>

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<p>phanta, first lets discuss the Stanford/Harvard cross admit percentages</p>

<p>2010
38/62</p>

<p>Historical
32/68</p>

<p>Harvard’s enrollment yield rate will go up a bit and I believe that Stanford will lose a few points from the 2010 figure, but not as far as the historical averages. So therefore for the Class of 2016, it would probably look like</p>

<p>Class of 2016
35/65 - S/H</p>

<p>and remember, this is purely from the effect of Harvard and Princeton returning to the SCEA plan. It does not take into account the negative effect of a school such as Columbia jumping over Stanford in the USNWR rankings this past year.</p>

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<p>But it doesn’t make sense to look at the historical averages… because it only matters what’s happened recently. The status quo is derived from the here and now, not the was and has been.</p>

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<p>phanta, oh, ok…so the historical relationships in cross admit rates for HYPSM, which have girated all over the place, should not be looked at when determining future cross admit rates and only the most recent should be reviewed?</p>

<p>is this what you are saying?</p>

<p>so looking at what the cross admit rates were when Harvard and Princeton had EA should not be looked at in order to deterine the effect of now having the SCEA at Harvard and Princeton on cross admits might be?</p>

<p>are you sure that yo want to say this?</p>

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<p>As I suggested in another thread, until you learn how to be courteous toward other members, I’m not going to discuss this with you.</p>