Strange/Bizarre/Stupid Teachers said

<p>I completely agree that teachers are human and are going to make “human mistakes” (like misspelling on a chalkboard or accidentally saying the wrong thing). Totally understandable. (That’s what happens to politicians, too,…mics and cameras are “ever-ready” to catch a gaffe and make a huge deal out of it. The rest of us can goof in private with no records to get exposed to the world…LOL)</p>

<p>But, when teachers are confronted that they’re wrong and they don’t (refuse) to recognize their mistakes…then it’s no longer just “human error.” When my son tried to correct his California teacher that Calif did NOT have a population of 500 million, the teacher refused to budge…until my son had to show him written proof. :(</p>

<p>and I asked students to correct me</p>

<p>I admire that trait. </p>

<p>My son was doing some chemistry problem on the board and his chem teacher told him that he was wrong. My son looked it over, saw he was right and politely said so. The teacher got VERY nasty and went to the other side of the board to start working the problem. She soon realized that she was very wrong. She quietly said, you’re right. She didn’t apologize for her rudeness.</p>

<p>After a few more of these incidents, I spoke to her. I told her that I know that she’s smart, but she has to understand that she’s human and she doesn’t know all things Chemistry. (heck, if she did, she’d be at Dow Chemical or some place like that.) I told her that she was only making herself look bad by being so “abusively rude” when she would tell students they were wrong instead of being open to the possibility that SHE might learn something new that day. (and why be rude about it anyway…why not just say, "I don’t think that’s right, but let’s check together? or something like that???)</p>

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My son is dyslexic; by the time he got to high school he had overcome the reading problems, but still had his dyslexic moments. He learned to spot when he had a teacher who was dyslexic as well, something teachers would tend to try to hide. He had an incredibly gifted high school math teacher and he knew the teacher was dyslexic because of frequent misspellings … but the guy knew his math and was able to easily offer multiple different explanations or strategies for any concept, so he was able to make difficult math comprehensible for all of his students. </p>

<p>I think we need to be careful about recognizing issues that truly go to competence or ignorance, and making fun of people for problems that are either the type of normal slip-ups that happen on occasion or are a manifestation of an issue that does not impair teaching. I mentioned Oliver Sacks above and I think it is beyond dispute that he is a brilliant man – but he also suffers from severe prosopagnosia (face blindness), and has written about it in his most recent book, because obviously it has caused embarrassment. For example, he could easily spend 45 minutes in consultation with a student one day, and then not recognize the same student the next. </p>

<p>My mom also had severe word retrieval issues – difficulty remembering common words - which was a running joke in our family. She always attributed it to a childhood bout with rheumatic fever, but my son had similar symptoms along with his dyslexia, so in hindsight I wonder if there is a genetic connection. Fortunately for my son, my upbringing prepared me to handle those word gaps in good graces. These are issues that can plague highly intelligent people and probably stem from temporary disruptions in neural connections --it’s kind of like having a powerful computer and database in the brain with a clunky indexing and search mechanism. </p>

<p>This stuff also tends to be more frequent with aging – we call it “senior moments” but it also seems to be a normal part of the aging process, that occurs simultaneously with the brain becoming more capable in other areas. Barbara Strauch wrote about this in her book, The Secret Life of the Grown-Up Brain – in our 50s on up, we find it harder to remember and retrieve names and details, but are much more astute at sizing up a situation and problem solving. </p>

<p>My kids certainly have had their share of bad teachers, but its a mistake to jump all over a teacher because of a slip of the tongue. There’s a difference between gross misinformation (like the teacher who said that the indians killed off the dinosaurs) – and a simple lapse or mistake. </p>

<p>I’d also point out that people who get a lot of their information through reading often make some very embarrassing errors of pronunciation, simply because English words aren’t always pronounced the way they look and sometimes the person’s first and most frequent exposure to some words is through reading. I include myself in that category – I read a lot as kid and sometimes failed to recognize words I heard as being the same as the ones I saw in print. I was probably in law school before it dawned on me that the word I heard as “in-dite” was the same as I saw in print and understood as “indict” (which I thought was pronounced “in-dikt”, kind of like the word “indicate”.) </p>

<p>So it really wouldn’t bother me too much if a non-Californian didn’t know how to pronounce “San Jose” or “Yosemite”. I’d also point out that the correct Spanish pronunciation of Los Angeles is NOT the pronunciation commonly used by Americans, including LA residents; and I was a little irked when my kids would “correct” me on my pronunciation of Cabrillo, which I pronounced Cah-bree-yo, but apparently is Ca-brill-oh to all the locals. I went to school in Berkeley which everyone pronounces as “Burk-lee” – but which actually is properly pronounced “Bark-lee”.</p>

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My kids certainly have had their share of bad teachers, but its a mistake to jump all over a teacher because of a slip of the tongue. There’s a difference between gross misinformation (like the teacher who said that the indians killed off the dinosaurs) – and a simple lapse or mistake. *</p>

<p>Absolutely…everyone has a slip of the tongue, typo’s, etc. </p>

<p>Even the best will mix up: your and you’re; they’re, their, and there, every once in awhile.</p>

<p>I really take issue with teachers picking on kids, especially when they hold a grudge literally forever and show huge amounts of favortism. It really makes school a hostile environment for so many. My kiddo has innocently been the victim more times than I like to recall–one teacher in particular hated him from the first day (she had him for two years) because he politely and innocently corrected a glaringly incorrect historical statement she made for their history class. He was on her permanent S*@# list after that. </p>

<p>I’ve always admired teachers (& other professionals) who admit when they don’t know and are interested in learning with me and/or students or whomever is out there. It makes our world a better place. Many of my kids best teachers were open-minded and fostered the love of learning in this manner.</p>

<p>Community College prof here. I love making mistakes in class. The kids feel so empowered when they correct me.</p>

<p>I have a policy that if they find a word in the reading that I can’t define I cancel class for the day. Keeps them looking up words. Haven’t been stumped yet except the day one student offered:</p>

<p>marty red. Luckily one student knew it was pronounced martyred and we finished the class.</p>

<p>I think calmom’s reminders are to the point. Compassion is always at a premium and never out of place (and in my case even for malapropisms by political opponents.)</p>

<p>OTOH aggressive misinformation on the part of teachers who won’t back down is annoying, particularly to children who see the world in black and white.</p>

<p>We really do need to create an atmosphere where mistakes are acceptable; teachers can model this behavior for their students by graciously backing down. </p>

<p>The funniest/saddest misinformation I encountered was related by a friend. His family had just left NY for FL. As a sixth grade student he learned that the Statue of Liberty is in St. Augustine, FL. Apparently there is a replica there. (I actually saw a replica along the Seine in Paris.) He said, “No, it’s in NY Harbor. And I’ve seen it.”</p>

<p>He was punished for lying as well as rudeness.</p>

<p>Sigh.</p>

<p>Oh, and I winced that the idea that a fully prepared chem teacher would be working for Dow. That the teacher was vindictive and rude is unforgivable, but I don’t think it follows that Dow employers necessarily understand the chemistry better than the teacher. Nothing would induce me to work for a corporation and I have written for just about everyone, even testimony for the US Congress on a victims’ rights bill.</p>

<p>On the first day of class, my AP US History teacher (who was new to the school) mixed up “John Calvin” with “Calvin Klein” and “Martin Luther” with “Martin Luther King Jr.”
He certainly didn’t make a good first impression upon his students.</p>

<p>I had a substitute for AP Euro who pronounced Versailles Ver-sigh-ulls and Louis XIV/XVI/whatever Loo-is.</p>

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That teacher may have been from Kentucky, where there is a Versailles, pronounced “ver-SALES.”</p>

<p>During a conversation with a high school finance teacher who teaches, among other subjects, banking operations and personal finance:</p>

<p>Me: (After being asked for a sizeable donation) What do you need the money for?
Teacher: I don’t know.
Me: How much money do you currently have in the class account?
Teacher: I have no idea. The school accountant doesn’t send me statements.
Me: Why don’t you just ASK her how much money you have in the class account?</p>

<p>Turned out that there were thousands of dollars in the account. And, she’s teaching kids how to take care of their personal finances and how to handle other people’s money???</p>

<p>D’s 2nd grade teacher at back-to-school night: “We’d love to have parents come in and talk to the class about their jobs.” So I offered to come in and talk about mortgages. I wrote up a brief outline about how I’d make it age-appropriate (you want to buy a house for $10; you’ve saved up $2; how many dollars do you need from the bank?) etc. She thanked me, but said after thinking about it, the topic would bring up too many comparisons between the kids and awkard discussions about income and wealth and who can afford what kind of house. I didn’t agree, but I abided by her decision. Her next homework assignment? Draw a picture of where you live. Some kids drew a tall skinny apartment building and an arrow pointing to their apartment. One girl came in with 3 8x11 pieces of paper taped together so she could fit her 16,000 square foot house on it. Tell me that doesn’t bring up the same issues???</p>

<p>HIMom – “teachers picking on kids”. Why is there so much attention paid to kids who are bullies, and none to teachers who are bullies? In my experience and from seeing what my kids have gone through, some teachers (very few, fortunately) seem to enjoy picking on certain kids, belittling them, humiliating them in front of their peers – all of which is pure unadulterated bullying behavior. </p>

<p>Teachers should adopt the first line of the Hippocratic Oath – first, do no harm.</p>

<p>My daughter’s middle school science teacher told the class that “a cure for cancer has been found, but the rich people are keeping it from us.” She repeated the same comment a couple of years later to my son’s class, so she must believe it is true.</p>

<p>Sometimes, they don’t realize the harm they do to their favorites but also especially the lingering scars they bestow on their favorite targets. I agree that doing no harm would be ideal–not all kids are teflon lined, unlike some politicians. </p>

<p>I still have bad memories of being flunked out of gifted & talented program over 40 years ago because of repeated strep infections requiring me to miss school. It caused me to be placed in classes for the next two years where I was truly seen by peers & teachers as a “fish out of water.”</p>

<p>I still shudder about a kid who was in S’s class whom the 4th grade teacher had walk around the school, literally, every day because she didn’t know what to do with him because she literally could not speak his language (his English skills were low). Don’t think that helped him at all in any way.</p>

<p>None of this is surprising to me. Our guidance department sent out a missive to parents about testing which, among other things, discouraged students from taking the SAT too many times. One of the reasons for this was that “all of your scores are reported to colleges”. Of course, this communication arrived in late August of the year when the college board reintroduced score choice in the spring.</p>

<p>Many years ago, one of my nicest math teachers did not understand the subjunctive, but liked using it. We heard a lot of “If I was you”. And he was one of the better teachers.</p>

<p>@ post 70</p>

<p>LOL…another good example of hypocrisy and ridiculous that can go on when in one area they worry about “wealth comparisons” and in other areas, they don’t.</p>

<p>And I don’t think the teacher quality is overall better at private school. I went to private; H went to public; kids are now in public. Across all our combined years in school, we’ve had some good teachers; some not so good; and once in a while, a real gem. They say you’re lucky if you have one good teacher in your educational experience.</p>

<p>How about my private school’s casting policy: you could only qualify for a lead role in the musical as a senior if you had done your time in the chorus. I asked why, and they told me “Experience. We want the most experienced people in the leads.”</p>

<p>Right. I’d had six years with a nationally famous children’s choir, including performing with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, on PBS, etc. I’d done several semi-pro musical productions. But that’s not experience – the only way to get experience is by slogging through the chorus behind tone-deaf senior soloists who paid their dues. </p>

<p>Yeah, I refused to be in their shows or their choir. What a crock.</p>

<p>Sayre’s Law in operation.</p>

<p>Teacher: “How can we be really sure that there isn’t at least a little water in every single thing? Can you name something with no water in it?”</p>

<p>Son: “Copper.”</p>

<p>Teacher: “Ah, but can you be really sure there’s NO water in it? I’m not talking about water you can see. Can you really be sure it doesn’t have some water in it?”</p>

<p>Son: “yes.”</p>

<p>Teacher: “how?”</p>

<p>Son: “It’s…copper. It’s an element. It’s just copper.”</p>

<p>Teacher: “Right, but can we really be sure it’s got absolutely no water in it? You need to learn to question ideas you’ve always taken for granted. Don’t just take someone’s word for it. yada yada yada”</p>

<p>^^^</p>

<p>Please tell me that this wasn’t the chem teacher.</p>