<p>I think they should just cancel the rest of the football season - for both teams. Wouldn’t happen again I bet.</p>
<p>This could easily happen to Dallas Cowboys fans in Philadelphia to watch their team play against the Eagles. Not every one/everywhere – far from it – but a definite risk if they were sitting in the (relatively) cheap seats and were aggressive in their Cowboys’ fandom. Most fans anywhere understand that the opposing team has fans, too, who love their team the way the home fans love theirs, and they treat such people with tolerance, at least. But if you put two groups of obnoxious, drunken bozos too near each other – and at some games in some places there are many such groups to worry about – the risk of trouble goes way up.</p>
<p>Then there’s European and South American football hooliganism, which makes merely throwing beer look like polite diplomacy.</p>
<p>FWIW, I watched the video a couple more times, and it looks like the initial beer throwing was not intended to hit the victim, nor did he appear to be afraid (he wasn’t running or reacting), so as primitive as it seems, the behavior seemed to start out as typical fan rivalry. It wasn’t until the end when the guy in grey ran up to the victim that it looked like intentional assault, and even then it was hard to tell if the victim was actually hit with a can or just the liquid.</p>
<p>Really folks, this isn’t new.</p>
<p>There’s a lesson my mama (yes, my mama) taught me long ago about trouble and I too have passed it on to my offspring.</p>
<p>One way to avoid trouble is to “avoid” trouble when you see it ahead. Yes the OSU kids are just as stupid as the PSU because not one of them thought “hey this is a pretty stupid idea.” lots of dummies that day.</p>
<p>If you are silly enough to project your concept of “right” onto another person’s perception of things, you’ll often find yourself needing help up or explaining to the doctor stitching you up how right you were.</p>
<p>I’d rather my kids look at the situation ahead of them and avoid the stitches altogether. Doesn’t mean it’s right or wrong, it means it’s smart. I’d rather know my kid was smart than “right” in these cases.</p>
<p>I am sorry, but you should be able to WALK ANYWHERE on a college campus or on greek row or whatever and not have to be at all concerned about being assualted, period</p>
<p>So, just let the frats hold a neighborhood hostage on game day, heaven forbid you should cross their turf, ■■■■■■■■ or not</p>
<p>doesn’t sound much like gang behavior, now does it? same mentallity- wear the wrong colors, stay outa our turf, and you will be safe</p>
<p>yep, that is just the image colleges should be saying is just fine, cause heck, its been going on for some time</p>
<p>and after seeing what happened in boston after the win, don’t tell me that things can’t escalate- but hey,. all in the name of being a fan…</p>
<p>what if they weren’t ■■■■■■■■ and who cares if they were…that is totally irrelevent, btw…they were guests on that campus and should be able to walk in safety, regardless of what team they supported</p>
<p>and yeah, after watching it again, so what if the OSU students didn’t run and such, so what, doesn’t mean the beer throwing and name calling and chasing was any less gang like in nature</p>
<p>“pretty stupid idea”? </p>
<p>and again, wonder how many of those college kids were 21…seems some security should have been there</p>
<p>so, opie, say it was your daughter, and she was lost and ended up in that back alley, guess she would deserve to get called names, chased and thrown beer at?</p>
<p>and don’t say, well my D wouldn’t be sill enough to get, lost…</p>
<p>I think it is irrelevant that it is “not new behavior.” I also think the OSU students are not at fault for walking by and did not deserve it. I would not expect that to happen to me walking on a college campus as a fan of the opposing team. I might expect some folks to yell “Go PSU!” in front of me. I would not expect to be called names and have things thrown at me because I was a fan of the visiting team. I still find such behavior inexcusable and I do not believe all sports fans, college students, or frat members (and their pals) behave in such a fashion. It may not be new, but it doesn’t make it OK.</p>
<p>There’s a lot of “I would not expect’s” here. Honestly, if I were dressed up in Ohio State gear and strolling around frat row at Penn State just before or just after the game, I WOULD expect. Is it ganglike behavior? Yes, of course. Is it OK? No, of course not. Is it expected? Yes, it is.</p>
<p>but it is EXPECTED because it is let slide, it is seen as “colorful” and team spirit and instead it should be unacceptable in a civilied society and should be frowned upon</p>
<p>is that school spirit- calling names, chasing people, throwing things, as in FF case, rocking a bus, breaking tossing bottles (which most likely left broken glass)</p>
<p>a school can have spirit, etc, without resorting to harrassment, name calling, throwing things, etc</p>
<p>and its up to schools and indeed parents, to say, this is not right</p>
<p>other kids just blow it off and laugh, that is really sad</p>
<p>“and don’t say, well my D wouldn’t be sill enough to get, lost…”</p>
<p>actually my D has gotten lost and she used her cell to call…
besides she hates football. Maybe if you said she got lost on her way to a play…</p>
<p>"but you should be able to WALK ANYWHERE "</p>
<p>Absolutely, but is that a “REAL” assesment? Why we disagree is you are complaining about how things SHOULD BE, which no arguement they should be, while I am dealing with HOW THINGS ARE, big difference. </p>
<p>As I said you can be as right as you want, while the doctor is stitching you up. </p>
<p>Besides these guys didn’t get lost, they weren’t asking directions. If you need to pad your arguement to make it??? well…</p>
<p>wouldn’t it be a little simpler and safer just to use your noggin? </p>
<p>still the best way to stay out of trouble is to avoid it. I’m sorry if you don’t think that’s good advice, but it is advice that doesn’t assume the other guy will play fair. </p>
<p>What get’s silly cgm is when you decide people will react the way you want them to just because it’s the “right” thing to do. That is simply, how people die. People don’t do the right thing. That is why it is so surprizing when they do…</p>
<p>One thing folks to get a grip on that was an alleyway… there were other paths around the party…</p>
<p>And… you are making your judgements based on what is on tape which started midway through… you have no idea if the OSU guys were walking in shouting at the top of their lungs “JOE PA is a child molester!!!” </p>
<p>Remember, you’re only catching a bit of a situation. Not the start, probably not even the middle. We have no idea what was happening prior.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.centredaily.com/news/breaking_news/story/248169.html[/url]”>http://www.centredaily.com/news/breaking_news/story/248169.html</a></p>
<p>and considering the police are looking into the beer assault event</p>
<p>and Opie you ignored the question- if this was your daughter walking in that alley, lost or not lost, she would deserve what she got?</p>
<p>I get lost on college campuses ALL THE TIME when touring, do I deserve to get beer thrown at me? and sometimes I have asked directions, and end up someplace lost once again, guess if I am wearing the wrong shirt, I should get pelted for wandering onto enemy turf</p>
<p>so ,opie, if this was your sister who got beer thrown and her was was chased, that is fine with you I take it because hey, she is too stupid to realize that its okay to harrass people</p>
<p>What do you guys expect? It comes with the territory. You’re gunna be harassed for sporting the other team in a big game like this.</p>
<p>If she were hot the boys would have not been throwing the beer–they would have been handing it to her. They aren’t THAT stoopid.</p>
<p><a href=“Desktop Wallpaper: Free Trial!”>Desktop Wallpaper: Free Trial!;
<p>I’m not saying its right, but I agree with JHS and Opie, you can pretty much expect it to happen, and I’ll bet the victim in the video was not surprised by it. If you have been to many college football games lately (I have) you will see this type of behavior fairly frequently. I was at a Stanford-USC game a couple of years ago, and at halftime the Stanford band formed a hand giving the middle finger to the SC crowd. The SC crowd responded by cheering “F–k Stanford” over and over. I was embarassed in front of my kids. (But not surprised). I do not allow my kids to even “boo” at games, but they are usually among the few in the stands who do not.</p>
<p>Several posters are saying to expect this behavior. I must be living under a rock and am very naive, but I would NOT expect this behavior. I would expect some rivalry but not name calling of fans face to face and assaulting them, nope. </p>
<p>I must run in different crowds. I admit to not being a football fan. I think a certain mentality exists in certain settings or with certain people but this is not expected or common in other groups. I don’t think this goes on at my kids’ campuses, though they are not football powerhouses. </p>
<p>I attended a football game once at D1’s Ivy college. I would say that the majority of fans were the home team, her school, though there were a smaller set of fans for the away team, an “opposing Ivy.”. I recall the home team applauding the other school’s half time show, for instance. I don’t recall any boos or unsportsmanlike conduct. I can’t imagine if someone from the other team’s fan club was sporting a shirt for that school, that they’d be harrassed on my D’s campus in this way. </p>
<p>I have a daughter who is very involved in sports…three varsity teams in high school and one now in college. In high school, which I realize is not Big Ten college sports, there is NO way anything REMOTELY like that would be tolerated or expected with fans. In her sport in college, her teammates actually cheer the opposing teammates on! She has befriended the opposing team players and in fact, even met up with one in Europe this summer. She has never seen them as the “enemy.” She likes to compete but sportsmanship is a significant aspect of competition. </p>
<p>Not only was the behavior in the video inexcusable, I cannot even imagine thinking that way. I can see being rah rah for the home team and cheering them on but having nothing against the fans of the other team enough to want to batter them with words and throw things at them. That sort of mentality is not to be expected and I don’t see that of all athletes, all college fans, or all frats either. I can’t even imagine watching someone else throw a beer can at a fan from the other school and standing idly by. All those kids did and they cheered the assault on. This may not be new and it may not be uncommon, but it is not typical of all sports fans or college students. </p>
<p>While not sports, I recall sitting at a collegiate a capella competition. It ironically took place at D1’s college but I was there because D2 was competing in it. It drew a huge crowd that had to turn people away. I would say that 98% of the crowd were from the home school. The home school had a group in the competition. My D’s group (not from the hosting college) won. My D’s group got a standing ovation and screams from the audience in appreciation even though they were not the favored home college group. That is the kind of spirit I would come to expect in college students who are fans of their home school but welcome and even appreciate the opposing teams. This is the opposite extreme to battering with words and objects of fans of the opposing team. It is an embarrassment to the school even if it is not new, not unique, etc. I can see why it has made the news. If it was so “expected”, it would not be on the news. It happened to be aired on the internet which exposed it. But the inexcusable behavior has caused it to get attention. If it was “expected”, there would be less notice of this situation.</p>
<p>I may be naive but I would never expect to be under assaulty verbally or with objects when visiting a college and wearing the team colors of the visiting team.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>Actually, I didn’t see any evidence on this thread that it was “on the news” other than mentioned in the campus newspaper. The administration explained it away that people “act like fools.”</p>
<p>I once saw a Raiders fan throw a can of beer at an elderly woman in the stands. Fortunately, the cops removed him from the venue.</p>
<p>Sorry I said it was “in the news.” I guess these days, I think of the internet as a form of “news” and news of the situation was available on the internet. I saw a link to it on yahoo sports and now it says that story is no longer available. So perhaps it is not in widespread news. It was a news story in the college paper and it made that paper, I presume, because it was not ordinary or expected behavior. The youtube video had many views and came down. If it was another typical day in a sports event, I"m not sure why it was a big deal on youtube or is even being discussed at all. I venture to say that since it IS inexcusable and an extreme example of unsportsmanlike conduct to assault other fans, it has made some print and internet sites.</p>