@TatinG the study found that for white boys and black boys with the SAME family background (two parents and wealth) black boys still had lower incomes as adults. This study breaks a lot of preconceived notions.
I don’t think it’s odd. If you want to find a solution, you need to ask questions and look for answers. Perhaps it is more acceptable for girls to appear smart and have higher grades than boys.
I have seen many kids with Asian backgrounds who are highly encouraged academically. Right or wrong (I think it’s right, of course), that’s reality, in my opinion. Are black boys more encouraged athletically than academically?
I don’t see anything wrong or insulting to ask questions. I would like to know.
Interestingly, the study says that Asians end up with better income trajectories than whites, but if you eliminate first-generation Asians, the effect mostly goes away.
Is that surprising when many Asian Americans in most parts of the US are of recent immigrant heritage, where the immigrants were selected for high educational attainment (PhD students and skilled workers)?
However, that is not necessarily applicable to all Asian Americans. If it were, then K-12 schools and colleges in Hawaii would be elite.
Note also that Asian American income levels include many at the high end, but also many at the low end, with less in the middle. See page 86 of http://www.equality-of-opportunity.org/assets/documents/race_slides.pdf , which is a slide deck associated with the study that is the subject of this thread.
Wouldn’t that be entirely dependent on chosen career path. How many black men choose to return/stay in their urban neighborhoods as social workers, pastors, police, and other lower paying careers to try to help.
Hope they account for the language contained in modern music these days. I know my knucklehead kid listens to some of the worst lyrics written by Grammy award winners.
Do these lyrics vary by area in some systematic way? That is, do people in areas that these authors claim are high in racial animus listen to more music that has the objectionable words? I’m not an expert on music, but my understanding is that rap artists are more likely to use these words. Do people in, eg, the South listen to more rap than people in areas claimed to be lower in racial animus? I would think the opposite would be the case.
Do you have evidence leading you to believe that black families in the highest quintile of income tend to live in high-poverty urban areas to begin with?
The study, the OP linked to, actually proves it’s not the color of your skin which drives success. If racism were responsible for the achievement gap between black and white males, there would be a similarly large achievement gap between black and white females.
By the way, the top quintile of household income in the US starts at about $100,000 a year. Most of the parents on this site are in the top quintile, judging by what we talk about.
Oh come now. If you think that American people don’t react differently to a black male than a black female, you have the honor of being almost alone in that opinion.
You mean talking about the high cost of living and the difficulty of making ends meet on $200,000+ incomes so that it is too hard to save up for college for the kids? 
There is a lot of good data here but the conclusions can be biased, for example, from this data I can pick out that black girls do slightly better than white girls when compared to the starting point of each group. Therefore black girls do not suffer from institutional racism, or if I went further with just that data I could conclude that black people as a group do not suffer from racism on an institutional level. So then I look at the black boys chart and see that the lack of fathers in the picture affects the future outcome of boys more than it does girls, and so forth. I have no doubt that racism exists (it is evident every day) but the why of the data presented is very arguable.
If you think employers are racist against black men but not racist against black women, that’s a bizarre theory.
But I don’t think that. And notice that black men, black women and white women all have about the same income trajectory, according to the second set of graphics in the article. So we might say that sexism and racism both have an effect; white men, who wouldn’t be victims of either, have the higher trajectory, and everyone else has the same lower trajectory.
just ordered Stamped from the Beginning, thanks to this thread.
Some of the negative stereotypes applied against black people are gender-specific.
https://newrepublic.com/article/119239/transgender-people-can-explain-why-women-dont-advance-work is an article about the experiences of transgender persons noticing different treatment based on their genders.
For folks like me interested in the original study, here’s the citation (free to view or print the pdf):
http://www.equality-of-opportunity.org/assets/documents/race_paper.pdf
The problem with the NYT article is that it is comparing families of similar rank but not similar income. Income is also not adjusted for cost of living. The entire gap might be explained by a single variable, like educational attainment, or criminal record. Black males have the highest percentage of incarceration of any group.
Almost every study shows the same formula for success:
- Get married, stay married, and don't have kids out of wedlock.
- Work hard, get a job and stay employed
- Finish school, at whatever level you are capable of.
- Don't commit crimes, stay out of trouble.
The ethnic group that most mirrors this formula is Asians, and it is not surprising that Asians are the most successful group.