<p>Can you at least make some sort of an argument? You obviously are not even putting in any effort, so why should I bother?</p>
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<p>The basics, perhaps, are instilled by the media or by what society values, but the overall picture is subjective. For example, I prefer dirty blonde or brunette guys with blue/green eyes and defined facial features. This is my PERSONAL preference and is subjective. How can you say that “people have different opinions of what looks good” is “absolutely wrong?” Opinions comprise of many factors, the basics and the factors that go beyond the basics. If you admit that the basics are instilled by the media and society, then you must agree that the factors beyond the basics are developed by an individual’s personal preference.</p>
<p>Holy crap, fellas, arguing semantics to death. By one definition you may fall under the scope of superficial, and by another you may not. Either way, it really doesn’t matter.</p>
<p>Shallow or not, I find YOU incredibly rude. </p>
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<p>My opinion results from my friends’ opinions as well…and practically all of my friends are male. But hey, you are obviously the omniscient God incarnate…</p>
all i need to show is that your conclusions about ‘shady guys’ are built on crap-----i am refuting a statement you made!
dude you are so out of it–if the basics were instilled by media and society they would not be absolute or objective. the basics are things like symmetry , things you are obviously skipping over. symmetry is where good looks begin, vivid color is the step that comes last and then you get into blondes/brunettes etc. and more area for personal preference. whether you prefer blondes or brunettes or certain eye colors, you will always not find a person with a deformed face attractive, even if they have your fav hair and eye color–you could even extend that to putting eyes and hair on a cardboard box and saying you would like it under your definition-. you completely stepped over the most important stuff!</p>
<p>your opinion is clearly based on your interpretations of your friends opinions which seem to likely be derived from your predetermined , closed view</p>
<p>Insulting my intelligence does not exactly help the male species’ image. If you want to actually HELP males’ image, then perhaps be more tactful.</p>
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<p>I think you mean if the basics are instilled by media and society then they ARE absolute and objective, not vice versa. For me, I have height and facial preferences of color. I am attracted to lighter eyes and taller guys…symmetry may be part of the basics, but then the color and height are more subjective. So basically you agree with me that preference in looks is subjective. You seriously are helping my argument by saying “more area for personal preference.” Preference itself suggests subjectivity, not objectivity.</p>
<p>Not only my friends’ views, but also personal experiences I have had at Berkeley. </p>
<p>But since all you want to do is refute my statement, then why would a straight guy ask a stranger-female to be in a study group if they are not friends? Give me a reasonable explanation that does not involve hormones.</p>
<p>This sample is what the statisticians would call significantly biased. One random person is really largely changing your image of all males? That seems like a bit much.</p>
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<p>Not speaking at all seems to me like one significant qualifier, but even then, some people look far more together and knowledgeable than others. Obviously it’s possible and sometimes likely that a person has malicious intent, or ulterior motives, but I think it’s paranoid to assume it’s 9/10 of people that don’t know you, and this new detail of not haven spoken in class is different than other possible situations in which case the person asked talks fairly often and is say, clearly intelligent and on top of things, no?</p>
<p>I never said it changed my image, just that it did not improve it.</p>
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<p>Perhaps, but what if it’s lecture of 200, and they do not have discussion together. Thus he has no idea if she is intelligent or not, and has never heard her voice prior…then it’s reasonable, yes? Additionally, what if the guy is one of the best students in class, and when he first meets the girl, asks her what she got–she asks him too, and finds out she did worse than him–and he still wants to study? Then it’s pretty obvious, right, especially if he is a straight A student who aces all his courses?</p>
<p>So now we’re establishing quite specific parameters, are we not? If it’s c lecture of 200, and they do not have discussion together, and the person who asks never heard the person before and did not ever see them appear to be organized or intelligent, and the guy is one of the best in the class, and when scores were exchanged the person asked did significantly worse, and the person does not have the ability to feel compassion or try and help people, and the session is one-on-one, and the person does not like studying with others in order the feel comfortable or they think it makes them do worse, then in my eyes chances are good (but not guaranteed) that the person is interested in some non-academic thing, perhaps friendship, perhaps a romantic relationship, whatever, sure. If you throw in “and the person asking is attracted to the type of person asked or likes that person,” then the chances are even better, sure, but you seem to assume romantic relationship with what seems to be little regard for possible friendship (yeah, I know, people sometimes want this, sometimes :)), and remember this is ridiculously specific.</p>
<p>hahaha, ok I never said much worse. Just he got one of the highest grades in the class, and she got an A- on the midterm. Anyway, it’s not just this very specific circumstance alone. When this girl was in a study group with a bunch of people, and a year later while inebriated at party, one of the guys in the study group confessed to liking her the entire time and that he had wanted to ask her out but was too cowardly. What about that situation?</p>
<p>Well, it’s not just that ONE specific situation where some really smart guy asks a girl to study, and thus is evidence of guys being shady. There are many different situations where guys are “shady.” That’s basically my point.</p>
<p>If your point is that there are many situations in which people (men, women, transvestites, etc) are or can be shady, I agree. I just think it’s really paranoid and excessive to assume that 9/10, under almost all circumstances, something shady is going on if someone wants to study with you, especially if there are mitigating factors (such as being in a large group). :)</p>
<p>Drab…nah I meant one-on-one. But I was surprised to learn shady things happen in large groups.</p>
<p>haha Drab, ok fine, I’m shady, but hey I’ve only been attracted to one guy in my classes my entire 2 years here at Cal. So not THAT bad eh. My best (guy) friend was the one who said 90% of the time guys are being shady…especially since we are now all at college and everyone is driven by hormones.</p>