“So the onus is on the victims to make their ordeals an extremely public experience, and open themselves up to snap judgments by every student on campus?”
- Um, yes. To the extent that it's reported to the police. As is the case for any felony.
Or are you blaming victims, and only victims, for assaults that go unreported?
- Nope, my good young person, I'm blaming YOU and your buddies in the student body, to the extent that all of you enable the "rape culture" by choosing not to shine your own light squarely on the individuals involved (assuming there are genuine offenses), then whining that the university "must do something". For all your statistics - whether they be accurate or subject to perceptions or interpretations - crime is, in fact, lessened once the criminals are busted.
“Many students do just this, and avoid certain frats, but a fraternity’s reputation is not evidence admissible in court. The testimony of an independent sober monitor absolutely is. The system you’re happy to maintain gives us one, but not the other.”
- No and it shouldn't have to get to court. If everyone avoids the frat because they don't like the way they are being treated there, then no one comes to the party and no rape culture. Problem solved. IF lots of kids are still going - including potential victims of the "rape culture", then I for one highly question the authenticity of a genuine "rape culture" in the first place, as do many, many others. Hence the demands for the university to 'do somehting' - because there just isn't agreement among the students themselves that this is a real problem.
“Even in those cases when people attend a frat party anyway, “He/she/they knew this frat had a rape culture” is never a reason to ignore sexual assault”.
- Are you ignoring the crime of mugging when you decide NOT to wander around Hyde Park by yourself at 2 am? Are you ignoring the crime of theft when you make sure to take your valuables with you when you leave the Reg to grab a coffee? Or are you just being smart in those cases?
Be careful because it really does appear that the demanders just have it in for the frats. Obviously not well liked by certain groups, while still being the party place on Sat. Night. I can see that frats haven’t changed since my day, and my mother’s college days LOL.
“If a frat decides limited university oversight is an undue burden, that doesn’t sound like the kind of frat a university wants near its campus. Denying them the “Greek life” label will hamper recruitment, and the university has the power to limit access to leadership roles for any student who remains a member. If refusing vaccinations puts the community at risk and justifies exclusion from campus, joining an organization that rejects basic safety protocols isn’t that different; it also puts others at risk, and should be discouraged.”
- Ah - the Harvard approach yet again - advocating that the university restrict association in order to remain a student in good standing. See my previous comments on that tactic. And there is a bit of difference between getting an air-borne disease and CHOOSING to attend the frat party. LOL.
“I’m sure victims of sexual assault appreciate the advice.”
- According to your posts, "victims of sexual assault" seem to have no friends at the University of Chicago. They are so devastated and ashamed of what happened to them without their control or consent and so frightened as the strong prospect of losing their social set because of that horrendous offense against them that the school has to step in for them. There is a shadowy secret shame enveloping the university on this issue - despite the atrocity of the felonious behavior, the police can do nothing. The university must step in and resolve it.
Now, be honest, @DunBoyer - is this truly the environment at UChicago? Because that sounds like a real problem. How come, for instance, we haven’t heard more about this on College Confidential?
Edit the above^^ to add: How come we haven’t heard more about this from OTHER PARENTS?