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<p>I didn’t say all of them are all of those things. All I said, was that those are four different reasons people become gay. MOST gay people will fall in one of the four categories. Also, I didn’t say that just because someone falls in one of those four categories, he will be gay. That was twisting the logic around, but it doesn’t work. Saying a gay person is ONE of those four things, doesn’t mean that someone who falls in one of the four categories is gay.</p>

<p>I would like to add, however, that I respect what you said. I don’t mind debating with people, I just get frustrated when people begin to get rude. That’s when I lose my temper. You don’t have to agree with me, but that’s my opinion.</p>

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<p>flipchick, I don’t know why gay individuals would want to be friends with you when you have such negative opinions about who they are. This is not an insult, just a valid question in my mind. To refute what you said about us not knowing what we’re talking about. Well first, I know that you can;t choose who you are sexually attracted to. Could you choose to be attracted to members of your same sex? It is inborn, unchangable. And you cant compare who you are naturally attracted to to a killer’s impulse to murder people. Being homosexual doesn;t hurt anyone. And it is simply ignorant to think that if you are gay you must be seeking attention (that’s why people stay in the closet, makes perfect sense…) or had “unusual upbringing”. Many homosexuals grew up in nice suburban homes with old fashioned, loving, devout christian parents…it is MY OPINION that your statements are ridiculous, that is me keeping my mouth open.</p>

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<p>Flipchick-- I am not posting for the sake of debate. And I don’t think anyone is trying to insult you. By “disagreeing”, you are essentially denying a very significant part of a person. You are dismissing a huge portion of that individual as nonexistant. It just hurts me deeply, as it probably does others, that people fail to understand this… quite frankly, homosexuality is not something that you are entitled to have an opinion on. Homosexuality is something you must learn to accept, just as you accept heterosexuality. Because it is a fact of life. In the United States of America where our so-called “freedom” is what we cherish most, it’s a shame that we even have to question this issue.</p>

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<p>Some of the things you said were pretty rude as well. Just because you post it in the form of a rebuttal for a debate doesn’t make it legitimate. I might have gone a little overboard, and you might not be “ignorant”, or “closeminded”, but nothing you’ve said has convinced me otherwise.</p>

<p>When you said that people who become gay are looking for attention, I know several people that would be extremely offended by that statement. </p>

<p>Who do you think you are, some expert in sexuality now that you can categorize why people become gay into 4 distinct reasons? Just because you have a couple of gay friends doesn’t mean you are the authority on gay relationships and sexual orientation.</p>

<p>I don’t want to say that being gay is not a choice, or that it is, because I honestly don’t know. I’ve never walked in a gay person’s shoes. But neither have you. So, as you say, I just get a little frustrated when people start talking about things that they really do not understand. Your opinions “suck” as I said earlier not because I disagree with them, but because you have nothing to validate or to give credence to your claim.</p>

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<p>You’ve switched to a defense arguement were you’re just defending a certain point. You are also sterotyping gays and where they come from. </p>

<p>Attention Seeking / No Chance / Uniqueness / Troubled Childhoods.</p>

<p>These mostly don’t make sense. </p>

<p>Attention Seeking:Most gays are unwilling to tell others they are gay.
No Chance:With a population of 3 billion females, as compared to a lot less homosexual males, I think this statement was flawed already.
Uniqueness: … I believe this one was sheer absurdity.<br>
Troubled Childhood: This is the only plausible one. However, troubled childhood can do anything. </p>

<p>While I’m sure if one pushed constantly that being gay is the right thing as a childhood, it “could” occur. However, the chances of that occuring, of a parent repeatdly telling that gay-sex is the way to go to a childhood are near slim to happening. Therefore, I reason that it often indeed is “born that way.” (I’m trying to allude how so parents have desperatly tried to switch their child from left handed to right handed. Also bear in mind, many parents fail at this task even with constant effort. As a child matures it becomes impossible to even accomplish this. How is a parent supposed to even mistakely drop that gay marriage should be what a child does?) Being gay is not a choice.</p>

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<p>Before you start to deem homosexuality a choice, ask yourself one simple question: can YOU, as a straight person, force yourself to be gay? Even if you tried as hard as you possibly could? </p>

<p>Just think about it. As a straight male, I can tell you from my perspective that as a rational conscious choice this is physically and mentally impossible. When you take the burden off of others and look closely at yourself, I think a few things become more clear.</p>

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<p>knightmare, you hit the nail on the spot. a perfect sentence to wrap it up.</p>

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<p>Have you noticed that Flipchick has not posted back?..</p>

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<p>I just read somewhere that Flipchick attends BYU, makes perfect sense now…</p>

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<p>Flipchick, i think you would be a good fit at Bob Jones University.</p>

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<p>Gay Marriage - Perfectly OK
Gay Adoption - NO! NO! NO!</p>

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<p>Flipchick, are you telling us that you could control the people you’re attracted to, that you can just decide to be attracted to girls one day and then be attracted only to boys the next? Are you telling us that you’ve been attracted to the same sex before, and that you have successfully controlled this “impulse”? </p>

<p>and what do you mean by:</p>

<p>“…just about every gay person I have met has had strange circumstances as a child.”</p>

<p>What “strange circumstances” are you talking about? I take offense at that, but I want you to explain yourself first.</p>

<p>I’m dying to know answers!</p>

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<p>gay adoption is an inevitable result of gay marriage</p>

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<p>Not everyone spends all their time on the internet.</p>

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<p>the world started with ‘Adam and Eve’ not Adam and Steve</p>

<p>people arent born gay…they become gay…</p>

<p>how would u explain people that were gay but then became straight later on…and vice versa</p>

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<p>taj you are wrong. People do not become gay. They are naturally attracted to members of the same sex. And people who are gay and “become straight” are in denial. You can’t just switch, I bet you couldn’t just become gay, taj, it;s just not possible. And I don;t take the bible literally. I;m agnostic.</p>

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<p>Ok, first of all, I haven’t posted back in a while because I haven’t been at the computer. My dad got on, I went to bed, and I had a good morning this morning.</p>

<p>Secondly, I take offense to the comment about which college I am going to. I would NEVER go to Bob Jones, and I am very happy with BYU, but having never set a foot on the campus yet, I do not feel that it has had any influence on me.</p>

<p>Now, as for the original topic… I feel I do have the right to have my own opinion. It’s an opinion. I never said it was proven fact, it is just what I personally believe.</p>

<p>GreendayFan-- The friends I have had that are gay have been friends with me because I liked them, and they liked me. We had a lot of common interests. So, I didn’t agree with them being gay. They knew I didn’t like it, so we pretty much just stayed away from the topic. I had very, very high opinions of them, just not of their homosexuality. Also, I never said that homosexuals hurt people. All I said was that I believe homosexuality is something negative and I compared to something else I believe is negative. They are obviously not in the same league as each other and certainly do not have the same effects.</p>

<p>Macramequeen–I firmly believe in the freedom of America. I am not arguing that being gay should be banned or anything like that. If people want to be gay, then fine. It’s their decision. I, however, don’t have to agree with their decision. That’s where my freedom comes in.</p>

<p>wraider2006–Some of your arguments only hold true if you take the four categories I listed and said that EVERY gay person falls in EVERY one of them. That is simply not what I said. Of course some gay people would be offended if I said that they were seeking attention. Not all of them are. Some are, however, and I have seen evidence of this myself. One of my very close friends, named Joe, has been in all of my classes ever since elementary school. He dated girls all through middle school, asked me out once, had a horrible breakup with another girl and then turned gay in high school. I have had many discussion with this person. He dresses up as a girl for Halloween and spirit weeks, has a lot of jokes made about him, and has had to put up with a lot of crap. Do you know what he told me once? I asked him whether he was always gay when he was dating the girls or whether he turned gay, and he said that it was more of a gradual thing for him. The big thing he said, though, was that when he turned gay he started getting more attention from people at school. He didn’t like getting made fun of, of course, but people started learning his name. People who didn’t like the fact that he got made fun of started hanging out with him more and joking around with him. He flat out told me he liked the attention, and that he didn’t know whether he would be gay or not if it wasn’t for it. Now, I’m not saying that every gay person is like this, but I’m saying that there sure are SOME out there like this. Others are completely different, I know.</p>

<p>Now, I would like to clear up the reasons why I believe those four categories are why most gay people are gay. I’m sure there are exceptions, but I believe most will fall in these categories.</p>

<p>1) Attention seeking–I spoke about this earlier.
2) They feel they don’t have a chance with the opposite sex. Now, this one I feel is highly prominent. There are many people out there (again, this is not every gay person, just some), who feel they don’t have a chance with the opposite sex so they turn gay. This doesn’t mean that they don’t have a chance, it means they THINK they don’t have a chance. So, they turn gay so that there is less competition. Another reason for this is that some people have some bad relationships with the opposite sex, feel that they never will be able to make it work, and decide to give up on the opposite sex.</p>

<p>3) Uniqueness. Abosuletly NOT absurd. Look at some of the things people do to be different in the world today. It’s like people are searching for something, ANYTHING, that will make them different, and this is one way that they can do it. This one kind of goes along with the attention-seeking one.</p>

<p>4)Troubled childhood. I have seen this one personally. One gay person I know had parents who never let him do ANYTHING. EVER. If he so much as talked to a girl on the phone, he was in big trouble. The longer I knew this guy, the stranger this guy became. He began doing strange things which I will not get into (not necessarily “gay” things, but just weird things). After a while, he announced that he was gay. He took pride in the fact that his parents didn’t know and if they did they’d be furious. I honestly feel that this guy’s parents turned him gay, and so do many other people in my school. Now, again, I must say that not every gay person had a troubled childhood, and most people who had troubled childhoods do not turn gay. However, SOME do.</p>

<p>Now, many of you have responded that being gay is not a choice because I could not choose to turn gay. Well, to that I say, so what? There are many things I could not make myself do, which other people choose to do. I could never make myself smoke, yet other people choose to smoke. Does that mean they are born smokers? Of course not. I could never turn gay because I feel that it is unnatural and wrong. If my life depended on it, though, could I make the choice to be gay? I bet I could. It would take a WHOLE LOT though. Some people have been through a lot. If a person was brought up thinking that being gay isn’t wrong, unlike me, it would take a lot less to turn gay.</p>

<p>Now, before I shut up for a while and allow all of you fine people to tear me to pieces, there is one thing, a bit off topic, I would like to add. I do not understand why so many people on this board feel that it is a bad thing to be religious. I know that this doesn’t apply to most of the people here, so if it doesn’t, then just ignore this part. Nowadays it seems like being religious is attacked more than being a chain smoking, crime-committing drug addict. I’m sorry if you don’t agree with my values, but at least I have them. I am proud to say that I have faith in God, and if any person here wants to insult me about that, then go ahead. All I will do is feel sorry that you don’t have any sort of faith in your life. Again, for those of you that this didn’t apply to, I’m sorry you had to read it.</p>

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<p>Flipchick, I just think that your four reasons for “being gay” are unfounded.And I have morals, and I believe in a higher power. I don;t think religion is bad. I go to a Catholic school. I just don;t take the Bible literally and let run my life. I form my own values, and I think homosexuality is not a bad thing. The Bible is not going to change my mind. Why is being gay negative? It;s not natural? Decades ago, it was unnatural for black and caucasians to go to same school. In the 60’s it was screw civil rights. And whether or not people agree with it, there will always be gay people, and I don;t think we have the right to tell them that they are not people of high moral value, who will go to hell, because of something they can;t change. Are they supposed to live a lie and marry opposite sex so society will approve them? And I do not think you could turn gay. You’re telling me you could become attracted to girls. I don’t believe you. It’s bs. You were born straight. It’s unalterable. Same goes for homosexuals.</p>

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<p>Ok, bear with me for a moment. For now, let’s stick to you personally and not divert it to others. Now, can you please elaborate how you would imagine forcing yourself to be gay if your “life depended on it.” How would you brainwash yourself to go against your mental thoughts of sexuality? How would you silence and disobey your physical hormonal urges? Not why, but how, is my question.</p>

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<p>Flipchick-</p>

<p>It’s quite possible that the people you talked about are just pretending to be gay. It could be that they claimed that they “turned” gay but are actually straight practicing homosexual behavior. You will never know if homosexuality is inherent in them or not, unless you can get inside their heads. </p>

<p>As a non-straight person, it’s impossible for me to just stop liking members of the same sex. Sure, I can tell people that I’m straight and practice straight behavior, but the attraction to the same sex will never go away. If you don’t believe me, fine. But I know that I’m telling the truth, and I hope people would realize that someday. I was raised a religious person and still am, but I don’t believe that God has condemned homosexuals. He put me here like this, and there’s nothing I can do to change my sexual orientation. It really is not a choice. I did not choose to be this way. </p>

<p>I watched a segment of Good Morning America one morning where they addressed this question. They brought people who underwent intensive religious brainwashing, over a period of several months, in hopes that their sexual orientation would “straighten” up. Of the sample available, not one turned straight. One did choose to practice straight behavior, but he admitted that the same-sex attraction never went away for him.</p>