<p>Humans are the problem, in which case the solution would be voluntary human extinction!</p>
<p>oh dear human extinction, lol. i must agree that the argument makes some sense but in a way i feel like its blind optimism or something.</p>
<p>crane: a fresh perspective is never hated on ( obviously there are exceptions) being “weird” if you will could be just what they want.</p>
<p>Heh, that’s ironic, because the entire point of the argument is supposed to be that the world is the way it is for a reason, so everything is in some sort of equilibrium that we can’t begin to understand, and as such, trying to solve a “problem” in the world would only offset that equilibrium and cause more problems. If anything it’s a defeatist argument, advocating inaction in order to not upset the balance.</p>
<p>billy pilgrim perhaps? better yet the whole point of movies like the butterfly effect</p>
<p>Is it sad that I had to look up the Billy Pilgrim reference but instantly understood The Butterfly Effect? (:</p>
<p>ahh just a little.</p>
<p>“There really aren’t any problems in the world. We’re human, and as such, we have varying opinions and perspectives on right/wrong. There is no law that governs human interaction, and as such we can contribute to the world and the people that inhabit it anything we want, and because of this, anything is possible, as evidenced by the “good” and “evil” in the world. There is no utopia and there is no ubermensch and never will be. There is only imperfection as long as human beings are what the are, human beings, so since our world is imperfect, everything is just dandy.”</p>
<p>Spoken like a true existentialist (which I discovered in today’s English class is one of the hardest words in the world to say without stuttering or hissing like a snake. Or both.)</p>
<p>Wikipedia saves my butt once again. I’m totally putting Slaughterhouse 5 on my mind to read now. I also pass over vonnegut in borders because his books are always about fifteen bucks, which I could buy two books from a cheap publisher for.</p>
<p>oh, i read slaughterhouse five! i dont like vonnegut’s writing style but i like the story, i guess</p>
<p>I disagree with the existential argument. Morality aside, the fact that we are self-aware and recognize the consequences of our actions sets us apart from the “natural order” that we apparently have no obligation to. If a problem is of our own creation, we most certainly have a responsibility and the ability to recognize it and correct it.</p>
<p>i wrote my issue essay sort of on that… lol</p>
<p>Illuminar, I agree with your idea of fixing problems on the local scale, that’s just common sense. If the street needs paving, do it. My stance is meant to consider all of human existence The world is too large a place for us to be constantly fixing “problems”, we would never rest and a new “problem” would appear were there previously was none due to our interference.</p>
<p>I just realized that I may be coming across as argumentative, but I’m really not trying to instigate anything. I just like to hear other people’s ideas about stuff like this were there is no right or wrong answer. It’s kinda what attracted me to TASP. (:</p>
<p>lol and what about the people who consider the world to be their street?</p>
<p>Heh, I love arguments like these.</p>
<p>So we shouldn’t fix global scale problems humans have created? Hate to pull out the Hitler/genocide card, but I’d say that is a global problem worth fixing.</p>
<p>then the question is what was hitler trying to fix on a global scale. thus causing his reich (another problem)</p>
<p>Germany’s depression following the unfair peace treaty at the end of WWI.</p>
<p>So yes, the problems never go away. But wouldn’t not trying to fix anything hinder the progress of the human race? If people didn’t try and fix anything, uh, what would we do?</p>
<p>dunno. but if hitler hadnt tried to fix the german economic situation maybe there wouldnt have been a genocide. and this idea can be applied over and over again. but maybe things would work out if we just left well enough alone.</p>
<p>Oh no, I think panicpower got me! (:</p>
<p>Earilmadith, you’ve raised the point that I’ve been going over in my head for as long as i can remember. I’ve come to solutions, but they all seem so heartless and smell too much like an armchair view, which I’ve been accused of before, by my own brother, none the less. I will say, now that I have given discretion for my view, that it isn’t our responsibility to help other people, it’s their lives so their responsibility, even if they must die for taking that responsibility.</p>
<p>I swear I’m a perfectly nice guy if you meet me. (:</p>
<p>what’s an armchair view?
and lol i try.</p>