Tennessee GOP stoops to attacking and distorting Michelle Obama

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<p>Touche’ spideygirl!</p>

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<p>I did no such thing. I merely brought up aspects of McCain’s record which support my assertion that he is a man of integrity & his family is one of character. No attempt to distract from the isssue - that WAS the issue we were discussing.</p>

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<p>What “partisan merits”??<br>
As far as I can see, the only “partisan” comments were posted by Hindoo in post #78 generalizing about the “Republican slime machine”!</p>

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<p>Go ahead and take your ball & go home.<br>
That’s one way to avoid losing the game.</p>

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<p>I don’t get people like you, really? Are you so blinded by your party that you can’t call a spade a spade? I like McCain as much as anyone else, and am not a big Obama fan, but I also don’t pretend like McCain or the Republican party is some shining light of ethics. Neither are the democrats. “The Republican slime machine.” Ya, ok, because the democrats run graceful, ethical, and respectable campaigns. Give me a break. Grow up and realize that neither party is clean, it’s the way things are.</p>

<p>Also this has been going on since the dawn of elections. What we think of as “bad” today is pretty mild compared to what used to be thrown around.</p>

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<p>I understand what you’re saying Mr Payne, but don’t necessarily agree when it comes to spouses and children. Some things should be off-limits. But mud-slinging between candidates is an age-old tradition in America. I remember reading that John Adams and Thomas Jefferson waged a hideously ugly campaign back in the day. Adams proponents called Jefferson a soul-less atheist; Jefferson’s people inferred that Adams wanted a monarchy and would declare himself “king” if he won the presidency. How much uglier could it get? I was somehow comforted when I read this. We’ve survived as a mud-slinging democracy for well over two centuries.</p>

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<p>Bring it on!</p>

<p>These guys want to play for the number one slot in the Big Leagues.</p>

<p>They’re big boys (girls). I say anything is fair game.
If they can’t take the pressure of a full-on attack then they have no business running for POTUS. By the time someone is elected, s/he should’ve been able to withstand everything possible being thrown at them (good practice for the world stage). </p>

<p>Learn to defend your positions or crumble.</p>

<p>Give me someone with a backbone - and brains - for Commander-in-Chief!</p>

<p>And this is exactly the reason why we don’t need some wet-behind-the-ears, naive, upstart novice like Obama leading this country. I’m still in disbelief that he’s gotten this far (Is this the “Anybody But Hillary” phenomenon?).</p>

<p>How can so many people be so blind, misguided or dumb? </p>

<p>The emperor has no clothes - does no one see?</p>

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<p>I would also love to hear an explanation of post 69.</p>

<p>"And this is exactly the reason why we don’t need some wet-behind-the-ears, naive, upstart novice like Obama leading this country. I’m still in disbelief that he’s gotten this far (Is this the “Anybody But Hillary” phenomenon?).</p>

<p>How can so many people be so blind, misguided or dumb? </p>

<p>The emperor has no clothes - does no one see?"</p>

<p>Very well said bz2010</p>

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<p>“I don’t get people like you, really? Are you so blinded by your party that you can’t call a spade a spade? I like McCain as much as anyone else, and am not a big Obama fan, but I also don’t pretend like McCain or the Republican party is some shining light of ethics. Neither are the democrats. “The Republican slime machine.” Ya, ok, because the democrats run graceful, ethical, and respectable campaigns. Give me a break. Grow up and realize that neither party is clean, it’s the way things are.”</p>

<p>I’m sorry you don’t get me, Laxattack09. I certainly don’t get you. Give me an instance when the Democrats have “swift-boated” someone as obscenely as the Republicans did John Kerry in 2004. Please, I want to hear how the Dems “Willie Hortonized” an innocent Republican candidate. Of course, there was that smear against McCain in 2000 about the illegitimate child–OH, I FORGOT! That was the Republican Slime Machine attacking one of its own.</p>

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Bork didn’t exactly have an easy time of it.</p>

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<p>“Give me an instance when the Democrats have “swift-boated” someone as obscenely as the Republicans did John Kerry in 2004.”</p>

<p>You’ve obviosly forgotten the absolute low point in gutter, race-baiting politics with the ad narrated by James Byrd’s daughter linking George Bush with the dragging death of her father. You also must not be aware of the ads which said that if Republicans are elected, black churches will burn.</p>

<p>“I want to hear how the Dems “Willie Hortonized” an innocent Republican candidate.”
Huh? Are you saying Dukakis was “innocent” of furloughing Horton?</p>

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<p>The “Swiftboat” strategy has been in use by Liberals for quite some time - altho’ other terminology was used to decribe the deplorable tactics.</p>

<p>I don’t usually prefer to cite Wiki, but this is pretty succinct as well as revealing. re: Clarence Thomas’ appointment to SCOTUS:</p>

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<p>" … the ad narrated by James Byrd’s daughter linking George Bush with the dragging death of her father. You also must not be aware of the ads which said that if Republicans are elected, black churches will burn."</p>

<p>Actually, I don’t remember the Byrd one. I’ll look it up. … I also don’t recall the black churches ads. When did they run?</p>

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<p>Hmmm - with all these examples of Liberal “Swiftboating” being thrown out there, we can’t underestimate the dems ability to “play dirty”.</p>

<p>Furthermore, the “Swiftboating” of Kerry was done by a small faction of mixed-party former shipmates - not as a concerted action by the party in general. If Kerry had been a stand-up guy, it never would’ve happened.</p>

<p>Three purple hearts for a couple of scratches? Give me a break! Throwing his medals away as a political statement then lying about it? Testifying before Congress that his fellow military members were criminals & committing war crimes? Then having the gall to paint himself as a war hero after such a short time in-country - “John Kerry reporting for duty”?? What an insult!</p>

<p>John Kerry’s own actions did him in - he himself gave all the ammo to the swiftboaters.</p>

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<p>HINDOO: "Give me an instance when the Democrats have “swift-boated” someone as obscenely as the Republicans did John Kerry in 2004. "</p>

<p>Where have you been for the last eight years??? </p>

<p>Let me see…George Bush is as stupid as Curious George and looks like him as well (no outrage from CNN then, however - you could put that on t-shirts and worse), he entered into a conspiracy to blow up the World Trade Center, he is in Iraq for oil, his isn’t even really president (Cheney makes all of the decisions), he is really just a drunk, he lied to get us into this war, he doesn’t care that innocent young people are being killed, his dad got him in Andover, Yale, and Harvard (and OUT? - I guess that means 41 paid liberal faculty to pass the kid?) , he purposely sat and read to little children while the 9-11 attacks continued, he spends all of his time on vacation in Texas (because they have no modern technology there? - no phones, no computers, etc.?), his daughters were privileged party girls while in college, etc. </p>

<p>Does any of that ring a bell?</p>

<p>I was pretty shocked at how harsh we were towards Bill Clinton. The disrespect shown towards candidate and President Bush brought it to a whole new level. At the very least, it has been just as bad. Frankly, I’m sick of all of it. Yeah, I pay attention to the big stuff, but when it becomes nothing more than smearing for the sake of smearing, I tune it out.</p>

<p>I fear that most politicians and their politicos don’t give a darn about you or me. They seem to be a very self-centered bunch, as a rule.</p>

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<p>love your posts spideygirl.</p>

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<p>post69 by sunnymamere: “Obama can triple my taxes, since I have draft age children. doubt anybody will argue Obama will have our precious children at war for a longer period than McCain. TEN YEARS!”</p>

<p>In his most recent tape, Osama Bin Laden complained that some Arab leaders have decided to accept Israel and to work with the West. Why is that? It is because we have fought back (finally) against those who attacked the USS Cole, our embassies, our troops in Somalia, one of the twin towers in the FIRST attack, and then finally both WTC towers, domestic airlines, and THE PENTAGON.</p>

<p>I have a son who will reach the draft age soon. NO - I don’t want him to go to war. I don’t want anyone’s son to go to war. But history is a good teacher, and if we study it we quickly realize that (paraphrase) we can sleep soundly in our beds at night because brave soldiers have the courage to fight to protect freedom. </p>

<p>Can you imagine how many of our children could be killed if the wrong types of people get beyond our control?</p>

<p>Let’s have a reality check about military deaths:</p>

<p>How many US soldiers were killed during the Clinton administration?</p>

<p>1993-1,245</p>

<p>1994-1,109</p>

<p>1995-1,055</p>

<p>1996-1,008</p>

<p>Total: 4,417 </p>

<p>Now consider the number of soldiers who have been killed in Iraq - DURING A WAR!</p>

<p>I don’t know what you think Obama is going to do to prevent soldiers from being killed, but I do not believe your assumption is correct that he will certainly keep more of them alive than McCain.</p>

<p>I would trust a guy who has experience fighting in a war, who knows how much it hurts to be seriously injured, and who has lost friends to gunfire, WAY more than a junior congressman who has never worn a uniform.</p>

<p>BTW, I might be voting for John McCain, but it is only because I have no better choice. I am very socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I am not a fan of McCain’s. I am not a fan of George Bush either.</p>

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<p>Spideygirl, freedom of speech in America means you can trash your president without basis and suffer no consequences. We live in a great society and you know it.</p>

<p>I find your accusations comical at the least and bizzare at extreme:</p>

<p>…he (Bush) entered into a conspiracy to blow the World Trade Center
( this speaks for itself )</p>

<p>…he is in Iraq for oil (how come we are paying $3.65 gal ) ?</p>

<p>…sat and read to little children while 9-11 (does a pre-arranged visit mean
anything to you)</p>

<p>…Cheney makes all of the decisions (really ?)</p>

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<p>I’m still amazed that there are people out there who think that one party is worse than another. Really, you honestly think the democrats have never engaged in something like this? I say anything is fair game, as long as it actually happened (such as Michelles comments of the furlong of Horton). I’m not OK with making up stories w/o the backing of any credible source, but if you do something (Dukakis) or say something (M. Obama) it’s fair game.</p>

<p>You really think we’re not going to see comments come out about McCain and his tapes he made while POW in vietnam? You think we’re not going to hear about his 100 year quote out of context? Grow up, neither party is better or more civilized then the other.</p>

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<p>edvest1, are you living in the same reality as the rest of us? Take a re-read of spideygirl’s post, using the critical reading skills you hopefully possess, and then you can make a contrite post and apologize for totally missing the part where spideygirl explains she is merely reiterating some accusations she sees being made by certain liberals. Then you can apologize for using your finely honed “shoot first, comprehend later” skills that are normally received for making haphazardly ridiculous posts making all kinds of hilarious accusations against “liberals” to try and attack a poster (spideygirl) based on your total misreading of her post.</p>

<p>spideygirl: Most of what you posted you are quite right about being total bull. But there are a few nuggets of truth:</p>

<p>1) Bush’s father certainly did help him get into college. But the same is true of any number of Dems, so I don’t think it’s a particularly horrible thing. As for how Bush graduated? Well, it’s not particularly hard to graduate a college like Yale that has grade inflation with Cs.</p>

<p>2) An unfortunate loss on the reins of power has been a central hallmark of the various failure of management in this administration. One would argue that, even if we had (for example) gone into Iraq, had Bush had a better handle on people who were supposed to be advising him instead of pushing their own agendas, it might have turned out better. Cheney’s not the de facto power or anything, but the admin has certainly got managerial issues.</p>

<p>Personally, though, while I don’t think the Democrats are clean of this by any means, the major difference I see is that the Republican party, through consultants like Rove, have the practice much more institutionalized and are better at it, as well as being more willing to use it. Most of the type of crap that spideygirl pointed out comes from extreme left idiots like Michael Moore - whereas a significant amount of the attacks on Democratic candidates comes from people very close to the centers of Republican power.</p>

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<p>The Democrats wish they had an evil genius like Rove. They had a few during the reign of Clinton the First, but those folks moved on.</p>

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<p>As an addendum to my previous post about how Presidential candidates should be able to withstand anything being thrown at them while running for office, it should be understood that once elected, we should afford the President the respect that comes with the position.</p>

<p>Yes, I know, political cartoons & criticism are part of the landscape, but sometimes it goes too far. Where do you draw the line? Don’t know, but it does seem like respect for the presidency has eroded over the last few administrations. </p>

<p>Maybe it’s just respect for others in society in general has diminished, but it is disheartening to see some of the ridicule of our president & others (“Betrayus”).</p>

<p>Too bad GWB didn’t get the presidency he probably envisioned - would’ve liked to have seen him handle the job under better circumstances.</p>

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<p>Re swiftboating, a number of Republicans made a video claining MCCain as a Viet Nam collaborator. The republicans include Dornan, Bob Smith and James Lucier. This swiftboating video is making the rounds on the internet. How interesting.</p>