TERRORISTS hail Pelosi & Dems great victory

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<p>Citation: The problem is that the “terrorists” as you call them, have figured out the CURRENT non-plan and are going about creating havoc by Shia killing Sunis who are killing Shia and also killing American soldiers who are trying to fight as if it were a conventional war…which it is not. It is a civil war dispite what Bush said today. Do you actually think the Bush “plan” (not even Americans know what the Bush plan is) is working. Are you that blind to reality??? Your politics are interfering with your common sense.</p>

<p>You are already blaming the newly elected for the failing to solve the mess created by Bush. What exists over in Iraq is a civil war like the one fought in Kosovo and Serbia. Pelosi has not even taken her new position and you have already shifted blame.</p>

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<p>CITATION X,</p>

<p>This is common in politics when you have majoritarian-style seat allocation. The Dems and GOP both are known for running on tickets that run fairly counter to what they actually have in store for the legislation.</p>

<p>Either way, without 60 in the Senate, I doubt that the Dems are going to revolutionize much. They can’t.</p>

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<p>Anyone catch Comedy Central last night? Stephen Colbert: “The people have spoken. And apparently they’re tired of freedom.” </p>

<p>Has anyone ever seen Stephen Colbert and CITATION X in the same room at the same time? Just a question…</p>

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<p>How do y’all think the fact that Ms. Pelosi is a woman will be perceived in the Muslim world?</p>

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<p>Pelosi represents a district where they voted to ban all military recruiters out of schools. Ill let you guys decide yourselves on this one.</p>

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<p>Golani,</p>

<p>Though, as Tip O’Neill said, “All politics is local,” Pelosi now has a national position. History shows us that representatives act differently as Speaker and as their districts rep.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, your argument is kinda fluffy because it ignores both how the system works and the lessons history has taught us.</p>

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<p>“It is a civil war dispite what Bush said today.”</p>

<p>It’s not simply a "civil war, its a bit more complex than that </p>

<p>No doubt you favor Ms Pelosi’s (Murtha) plan of abandoning Iraq w/o regards to conditions on the ground via “strategic redeployment” within 6 months -so the Dems need to stop pretending they have some secret plan</p>

<p>As I’ve indicated Ms Pelosi is now dancing around her original support of a Murtha style plan</p>

<p>Once again Iraq is not just about Iraq - the repercussions of anything like what Murtha proposed -w/b disasterous longer term for the United States</p>

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<p>I actually agree with you. Speaker Pelosi wont be so quick to do everything she talked about doing. She knows its wrong and foolish, but she needed the votes to put her in power. I do however think she will be weak on terror, there is no doubt about it in my mind, but when it comes to Iraq there wont be any immediate pullout.</p>

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<p>The long term repercussions of Iraq are likely to be bad for the US regardless of what we do from here on out. That’s the problem. Short of instituting a draft to raise a standing army large enough to effectively occupy Iraq, there’s no way that the near-term future of that country will be any less bleak than it was before we invaded. And I don’t think that any politician has the guts to call for a draft.</p>

<p>Maybe that should be a litmus test for the future: If our nation’s interests aren’t legitimately threatened enough to justify the political risk of activating the draft - maybe we just shouldn’t do it to begin with.</p>

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<p>golani89,
What does Nancy Pelosi being “weak on terror” look like? Terror is an emotion, a feeling. The “war on terror” is a Republican euphemism. How would the Speaker of the House be weak on terror? Will she recommend cutting troops participating in the Iraqi occupation by 50 percent by New Years? Will she advise the rescinding of airport procedures so would-be terrorists can deploy their shoe bombs? Will she try to outlaw waterboarding? What in the world are you talking about?</p>

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<p>This is not surprising. Politicians in presidential/majoritarian systems do it all the time. It’s logical to do so.</p>

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<p>Weak on terror? Oh she’ll cut back our port security.</p>

<p>Oops, I forgot we don’t have any.</p>

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<p>Four Majority Moslem countries have had female heads of state - Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Turkey. USA - none.</p>

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<p>They usually provide accurate translations of Arabic broadcasts, or so I am told since I don’t speak Arabic. They haven’t caught up with recent broadcasts so we can’t know what is being said about the election results. They are about a week behind, but you can follow on their website what the Arabic populace is hearing as they post it: <a href=“MEMRI TV | MEMRI”>MEMRI TV | MEMRI;

<p>Such as:10/31/2006 Clip No. 1309</p>

<p>Hizbullah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah: When We Were Young, I cannot Forget the Sight of American Forces leaving Vietnam, and the Americans Abandoning their Vietnamese Allies, I Anticipate the Same for our Region <a href=“MEMRI TV | MEMRI”>MEMRI TV | MEMRI;

<p>11/1/2006 Clip No. 1307</p>

<p>Malaysian Cleric Hussein Ye: The Americans Have No Proof Muslims Were Involved in 9/11; It Is Our Word against Theirs <a href=“MEMRI TV | MEMRI”>MEMRI TV | MEMRI; (Still beating that dead camel?)</p>

<p>10/27/2006 Clip No. 1306</p>

<p>Member of Iranian Assembly of Experts Ahmad Khatami in Tehran Friday Sermon: The Republicans in the U.S. Are in a Crisis; Sanctions on Iran Will Harm the West More than Iran <a href=“MEMRI TV | MEMRI”>MEMRI TV | MEMRI;

<p>Regarding how they will take to Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House and third in line for the Presidency, here’s a hint about their attitudes:</p>

<p>10/28/2006 Clip No. 1308</p>

<p>Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi on the Risks of Female Masturbation
Following are excerpts from a lecture by Sheik Yousuf Al-Qaradhawi, which aired on Qatar TV on October 28, 2006. <a href=“MEMRI TV | MEMRI”>MEMRI TV | MEMRI;
“Obviously, killing her is forbidden and is a grave sin. Even if she did fornicate, she does not deserve to be killed. At most, she should be flogged, if she confesses four times, or if there were witnesses.”</p>

<p>Killing bad, flogging good. Got it.</p>

<p>Please consider a donation to MEMRI so that we can continue to hear the drivel is being fed to that part of the world.</p>

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<p>2dsdad - interesting cite</p>

<p>Their view of america: in plain words</p>

<p>“When I talk about an [American] failure, I’m not saying that the Americans’ plan for the region has collapsed, and that they are packing up their things and leaving, like what happened in the final days in Vietnam. But I would like to tell you clearly… I am one of those people who see a very clear picture. In our childhood… When we were young boys… I cannot forget the sight of the American forces leaving Vietnam in helicopters, which carried their officers and soldiers. Some Vietnamese, who had fought alongside the Americans, tried to climb into these helicopters, but the [Americans] threw them to the ground, abandoned them, and left. This is the sight I anticipate in our region, but I am not saying it will happen in months. It will take years. The Americans will gather their belongings and leave this region - the entire region. They have no future whatsoever in our region. They will leave the Middle East, and the Arab and Islamic worlds, like they left Vietnam. I advise all those who place their trust in the Americans to learn the lesson of Vietnam, and to learn the lesson of the South Lebanese Army with the Israelis, and to know that when the Americans lose this war – and lose it they will, Allah willing - they will abandon them to their fate, just like they did to all those who placed their trust in them throughout history.”</p>

<p><a href=“MEMRI TV | MEMRI”>MEMRI TV | MEMRI;

<p>Pelosi and Murtha and the Dems are clearly going to help this come true if they have their way</p>

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<p>I’m sure that Pelosi and Murtha can’t wait to see America lose a war. :rolleyes:</p>

<p>C’mon man, now you’re putting words in people’s mouths.</p>

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<p>“Redeployment” (as described by Murtha and later supported by Minority Leader Pelosi in Dec 05) no matter what you label it - translates into an AMERICAN DEFEAT</p>

<p>“Out of intense complexities, intense simplicities emerge” quoting Winston Churchill</p>

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<p>CITATION X,</p>

<p>If all of our best estimates tell us that no matter what we do, we’ll never see the variable costs recuperated in a business venture, what do you do? Ignore the sunk cost and move on. </p>

<p>Applying that logic to the war and it becomes fairly evident that the returns on this venture are very likely to be poor. Staying longer just means more variable costs incurred, so to speak. I don’t believe that we should move our troops out immediately, but if there’s no hope of turning things around anyway, why spend more resources on it indefinitely?</p>

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<p>2dsdad, MEMRI is not as reliable as you portray it to be. The following elucidates why:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute[/url]”>Middle East Media Research Institute - SourceWatch;

<p>Cheers</p>

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<p>Determining cost and benefits when dealing with a war that clearly has some degree of overlap with the general war on terror - is not an easy process</p>

<p>Try measuring the "benefits of Iraq being a major factor in keeping Al Qaeda off balance for 5 years along with zero domestic attacks in the USA, and Libya folding on nukes</p>

<p>Al Qaeda over the past 5 years has made continual threats about imminent major domestic attacks -yet has been unable to carry a single one out</p>

<p>Assigning a value to the absence of an event that failed to occur - is a very difficult process</p>

<p>However, one benefit of a straightforward (business style) cost/benefit approach to Iraq - is at least it is an attempted honest effort to justify a cut and run approach</p>