<p>Hanna–it’s like the grade school jk about keeping the elephants out of the living room. “But there are no elephants in the living room!” “See, it works!” :D</p>
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<p>So? No matter who wins the election, the outcome should be making headlines no matter what. We’re talking about the US, not some backwater.</p>
<p>Precisely UCLAri,</p>
<p>If anyone had bothered, Al-Jazeera operates a parallel site IN ENGLISH. </p>
<p><a href=“Breaking News, World News and Video from Al Jazeera”>Breaking News, World News and Video from Al Jazeera;
<p>All it provides is election coverage the exact same as every european daily, the international herald tribune and the BBC.</p>
<p>What a bunch of terrorists.</p>
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<p>A better question/answer would be: How many terrorist plans were disrupted post 9/11
Answer: at least 8</p>
<p>So, yeah, I’d say that what we are doing has been quite effective.</p>
<p>“A better question/answer would be: How many terrorist plans were disrupted post 9/11
Answer: at least 8”</p>
<p>and how many actually are panning out? </p>
<p>are you counting things like the grocery clerk bombing the NFL stadiums? Or those idiots in Florida? Or the guy in Portland jailed for the Marid bombings? How’d that one go?</p>
<p>It’s a pity we can’t run counterfactuals to see what would’ve happened had it been a different party in power.</p>
<p>Either way, I think that people overvalue the importance of politicians and undervalue the civil servants who aren’t politically chosen. Something tells me that a good portion of our success should be attributed to our various agencies.</p>
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<p>Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!</p>
<p>What the saints established that I hold for true.
What the saints believèd, that I believe too.
Long as earth endureth, men the faith will hold,
Kingdoms, nations, empires, in destruction rolled</p>
<p>Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
But the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
We have Christ’s own promise, and that cannot fail.</p>
<p>You better be running, jihadi-man. They are getting crusade fever.</p>
<p>ss, Y’all are some scary folks.</p>
<p>Maybe you see it that way because you live in Texas. Those of us on the east coast feel a little more like we are covered with a big red bullseye.</p>
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<p>I was wrong there have been at least 10 plots that we have disrupted:
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<p>What about living in Texas? I live within blast range of Bush’s ranch and the largest military base in the world. I’m not exactly sitting pretty. ;)</p>
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But it is the leaders who have given them the tools to use, including interrogation and wiretaps.</p>
<p>Not sure of the point of this or that plot foiled, but you can’t cite overseas terror plots disrupted and not count overseas plots which were effective when compiling your ‘scorecard.’ Heathrow plot - disrupted, Tube bombing - successful; Hormuz - disrupted, Bali effective, etc.</p>
<p>Fundingfather, by including Jose Padilla you expose the fundamental bankruptcy of this entire claim. Once the government was finally pushed to the wall and forced to actual state the basis it had for imprisoning an American citizen for years without charges being filed, the indictment issued against Padila contained no claim of any such “plot.”
There have been a variety of “plots” thhroughout the years, including the would-be “shoe bomber”, the previous bombing of the WTC, and a steady stream of activities in other countries. There’s no verifiable evidence that the people who didn’t “connect the dots” before 9/11 actually are any better at it now, or that the “plots” you list were any more of a real threat than Padilla was.</p>
<p>Padilla may be a boy scout in your book, kluge, but a grand jury saw enough evidence to indict him on multiple charges including conspiring to murder, kidnap and maim people. Your pooh-poohing his apprehension and indictment is further testimony to the non-seriousness that the left appears to take on terrorism.</p>
<p>domestic??</p>
<p>You’ve kinda pulled a laundry list including the middle east and europe. If you’re going to span your area of incidents away from our shores wouldn’t every roadside bomb and carbomb be a successful terrorist attack? Wouldn’t this as I believe some research has proven that terrorist attacks have INCREASED not decreased under this administration? </p>
<p>So using your expanded area we’ve stopped around 10 while thousands of others have been successful?</p>
<p>FF, I know you stayed awake long enough on the Duke rape thread to figure out how significant an grand jury indictment may - or may not - be. Did you note that the conspiracy indictment regarding Padilla makes no allegation regarding him other than the fact that he (a) travelled to Egypt, and (b) talked to people? And that the allegation about conspiring to kill, etc., referenced an intent to support armed confrontations outside of the U.S.? With absolutely no suggestion of who the alleged victims were or how the conspirators proposed to kill and maim them? There’s absolutely nothing in there about any “plot” to attack the US, or American citizens, or anything else other than supporting international islamic groups outside the US.</p>
<p>Here’s the point, FF: I take all this stuff seriously. Seriously enough to pay attention to what appears to be real and what appears to be self-serving BS. As far as I can see, the equation looks like this: Jose Padilla = Duke Lacrosse players; GWB Administration = Mike Nifong. I’m not blinded by ideology; I apply the same common sense and critical analysis to all of it. And my conclusion is that Jose Padilla is a moke, who presented no real threat to the American people. In my opinion running around in panic - or changing our laws - over the likes of Padilla is the real danger.</p>
<p>So Kluge, would you feel safe with Jose Padilla living on your street, attending college with your children…</p>
<p>Cur, don’t let anyone tell you you’re not sitting pretty! :D</p>
<p>Actually, golani, my understanding is that Padilla was a gang-banger and convicted felon before he got recruited by the middle easterners. So, no, I probably would have some concerns. But not because I would be concerned about “dirty bombs” - another fear-mongering bit of claptrap.</p>
<p>So you are worried he will rape your children, but not kill them because they are Americans?</p>