<p>UT-Austin and TAMU are not the only universities in Texas. UT and TAMU have branches in other locations that admit students in the top 50% with much lower test scores and provide the opportunity to transfer to their flagship campus at the end of a successful year. </p>
<p>According to an admissions counselor, TAMU does admit students into the major of choice for spplicants that will clearly be in the top 10% who have their application complete and submitted before December 1. </p>
<p>I agree with much of what ‘cur’ wrote. </p>
<p>The business, engineering and communications schools at UT - Austin are currently only accepting students in the top 3-5% of their classes, those who have something unusual to offer the department (HOOK) and they must have the high test scores as well. Many students who would have gone to UT are ending up at OU. They have generous scholarship packages for NMF and students who graduate at the top 5% of their classes those who have high test scores. Most of these students repatriate after graduation.</p>
<p>The comment about the scholarships for non-NMFs sounds like the kids to made Law Review and then featherbedded the remaining two years of law school and never graduated with honors.</p>
<p>Interesting thing happened at UT this year, they changed their AP policy. In the past, UT counted AP scores for grades if the student requested credit. Well, many students arrived at the UT with high college gpas and subsequently bearly passed their classes at UT. Because they had a two year cushion of As and Bs from their AP scores it was not noted that they should have been on academic probation for several semesters and often until their senior year. Consequently, UT has raised the bar for accepting AP credit and only gives credit hours with no grades.</p>
<p>No, Cur’s daughter was the valedictorian at her HS. So, that’s her listing here"</p>
<p>"In my D’s year I can do most of the results by memory
Rhodes (Turned down Yale, Amherst)"</p>
<p>I still do not understand what’s being debated here? That bright students leave? That NMF leave? Of course, that is possible but aren’t they staying in masses as well since Texas has one the highest number of NMF in the country. Again, they do not leave because of a lack of opportunities. </p>
<p>In the meantime, I maintain that it is pure fabrication that the ten percent rule does exclude MANY competitive students, unless we water down the definition of competitive students to appease all the surburban parents.</p>
<p>A great many Texas students are studying at Arkansas and Ole Miss, too. Arkansas specifically has great inducements for moderately high stats kids. The recent infusion of 100’s of millions of Wal-Mart money has changed the landscape . A Texas top 10% kid can probably go for dang near free whereas in Texas she’ll see very, very little in the way of merit aid at A+M and Texas. Ole Miss is just real well priced OOS, even compared to UT or A+M in-state.</p>
<p>I’ve been staring at my post at 119 and a couple of things keep coming to me. </p>
<p>First, I screwed something up. There is another Baylor in there somewhere down in the 9-14 range.</p>
<p>Second, and probably of more relevance, I realized something looking at the results. Not a single student from D’s class (or any class I can remember) went to a private college without a substantial merit award or tuition discount. And that includes kids with obvious need. </p>
<p>Edit: Wait!! One kid, the val two years before D, went to Chicago and I don’t believe he had a merit scholarship based on my one conversation with his dad. </p>
<p>I think at many schools there is far less emphasis on attaining merit aid and much more faith in the need-based system. </p>
<p>No one could have even considered paying national caliber private school full freight.</p>
<p>Living in the suburban bubble, I really don’t hear as much moaning about the top 10% rule as I would expect. The kids who want to go to UT generally do (either directly or through the CAP program). The kids who want to go to A&M are there. But I also think it does the students a world of good to see life outside of Texas.</p>
<p>I haven’t gone back over this whole thread and I hope someone has made this point: U of Texas is not as difficult to gain admittance to as many assert. It accepts half of all applicants, and half of those turn it down to go elsewhere. Stats are lower and admissions are even easier at other state U’s in Texas. There are nowhere near as many out-of-staters seeking admission as at better regarded state univeristies (Virginia, Michigan, the top UC’s, a dozen others). The days when just about anyone could go to UT are gone, but that’s not at all a bad thing, for the school or for the state.</p>
<p>Ever wonder from where all the UT-Austing freshmen come from. The pattern is pretty obvious. </p>
<p>Texas High Schools Feeding Graduates to the Freshman Class at
The University of Texas at Austin Entering Summer/Fall 2007</p>
<p>Schools sending more than 50 students
2445573 PLANO WEST SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL PLANO 74
2440326 WESTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 72
2443509 CINCO RANCH HIGH SCHOOL KATY 70
2440324 WESTLAKE HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 69
2440557 BELLAIRE SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL BELLAIRE 61
2443405 LAMAR HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 61
2443736 JAMES E. TAYLOR HIGH SCHOOL KATY 61
2445860 STEPHEN F AUSTIN HIGH SCHOOL SUGAR LAND 60
2441471 THE WOODLANDS HIGH SCHOOL THE WOODLANDS 58
2446784 WILLIAM P. CLEMENTS HIGH SCHOOL SUGAR LAND 56
2445569 PLANO EAST SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL PLANO 54
2443361 CLEAR LAKE HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 52
2440331 JAMES BOWIE HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 51</p>
<p>Schools sending more than 30 students
2440303 MCNEIL HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 49
2440294 ANDERSON HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 47
2443424 LANGHAM CREEK HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 47
2443402 MEMORIAL HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 45
2443863 KINGWOOD HIGH SCHOOL KINGWOOD 44
2446785 JOHN FOSTER DULLES HIGH SCHOOL SUGAR LAND 44
2440320 AUSTIN HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 42
2441740 HIGHLAND PARK HIGH SCHOOL DALLAS 42
2441954 TEXAS ACADEMY OF MATHEMATICS & SCIENCE DENTON 42
2441690 CY-FAIR HIGH SCHOOL CYPRESS 39
2443447 STRATFORD HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 38
2446273 CHURCHILL HIGH SCHOOL SAN ANTONIO 38
2443346 CYPRESS FALLS HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 37
2446261 TOM CLARK HIGH SCHOOL SAN ANTONIO 37
2440349 W CHARLES AKINS HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 35
2441174 CEDAR PARK HIGH SCHOOL CEDAR PARK 35
2443358 CYPRESS CREEK HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 35
2443535 CYPRESS RIDGE HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 35
2445500 PFLUGERVILLE HIGH SCHOOL PFLUGERVILLE 35
2440306 LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 34
2443317 CYPRESS SPRINGS HIGH SCHOOL CYPRESS 34
2443458 WESTFIELD HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 34
2443536 TAYLOR HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 34
2441485 COPPELL SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL COPPELL 33
2441758 LAKE HIGHLANDS HIGH SCHOOL DALLAS 33
2446025 ROUND ROCK HIGH SCHOOL ROUND ROCK 33
2440311 LAKE TRAVIS HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 32
2440305 JOHN B. CONNALLY HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 31</p>
<p>Schools sending more than 20 students
2446782 ELKINS HIGH SCHOOL MISSOURI CITY 30
2441144 CREEKVIEW HIGH SCHOOL CARROLLTON 29
2443381 JERSEY VILLAGE SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 29
2443485 HUMBLE HIGH SCHOOL HUMBLE 29
2444087 CLEAR CREEK HIGH SCHOOL LEAGUE CITY 29
2446037 STONY POINT HIGH SCHOOL ROUND ROCK 29
2442770 GEORGETOWN HIGH SCHOOL GEORGETOWN 28
2443522 WESTSIDE HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 28
2445056 SMITHSON VALLEY HIGH SCHOOL SPRING BRANCH 28
2445952 ROCKWALL HIGH SCHOOL ROCKWALL 28
2440077 ALLEN HIGH SCHOOL ALLEN 27
2442624 CLEAR BROOK HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDSWOOD 27
2443420 ST AGNES ACADEMY HOUSTON 27
2441812 SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL DALLAS 26
2443394 KLEIN FOREST HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 26
2445410 PEARLAND HIGH SCHOOL PEARLAND 26
2443735 KATY HIGH SCHOOL KATY 25
2446693 KLEIN COLLINS HIGH SCHOOL SPRING 25
2446783 I H KEMPNER HIGH SCHOOL SUGAR LAND 25
2440300 MCCALLUM HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 24
2441473 OAK RIDGE JUNIOR-SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL CONROE 24
2446120 ALAMO HEIGHTS SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL SAN ANTONIO 24
2440078 ALIEF ELSIK HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 23
2441176 VISTA RIDGE HIGH SCHOOL CEDAR PARK 23
2442322 TRINITY HIGH SCHOOL EULESS 23
2442434 FLOWER MOUND HIGH SCHOOL FLOWER MOUND 23
2445839 J.J. PEARCE HIGH SCHOOL RICHARDSON 23
2445841 BERKNER HIGH SCHOOL RICHARDSON 23
2440236 JAMES W. MARTIN HIGH SCHOOL ARLINGTON 22
2443531 GEORGE BUSH HIGH SCHOOL RICHMOND 22
2443755 KELLER HIGH SCHOOL KELLER 22
2447043 TOMBALL HIGH SCHOOL TOMBALL 22
2440076 ALIEF HASTINGS SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 21
2440298 CROCKETT HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 21
2440492 STERLING HIGH SCHOOL BAYTOWN 21
2444132 EDWARD S MARCUS HIGH SCHOOL FLOWER MOUND 21
2441400 A & M CONSOLIDATED HIGH SCHOOL A&M COLLEGE STATION 20
2446788 L V HIGHTOWER HIGH SCHOOL MISSOURI CITY 20</p>
<p>PS I apologize to the non Texans for not identifying the smaller cities as suburbs of major cities. However, if you guess Austin, Dallas, or Houston, you won’t be too far off.</p>
<p>1 Talented and Gifted Dallas Texas
2 Science/Engineering Magnet Dallas Texas
15 North Hills School ** Irving Texas
16 Highland Park Dallas Texas
23 South Texas High School for Health Professions Mercedes Texas
40 YES College Prep Southeast Houston Texas
54 Science Academy of South Texas Mercedes Texas
92 Westwood ** Austin Texas
96 Bellaire ** Bellaire Texas
97 Westlake Austin Texas
99 Colleyville Heritage Colleyville Texas
104 Communication Arts San Antonio Texas
114 M.E.Debakey High School for Health Professions Houston Texas
134 Memorial Houston Texas
139 Warren T White Dallas Texas
144 LBJ Austin Texas
149 Grapevine Grapevine Texas
186 Plano West Plano Texas
196 McKinney McKinney Texas
220 Diamond Hill-Jarvis Fort Worth Texas
221 Lawrence D Bell ** Hurst Texas
235 Stratford Houston Texas
242 Westside Houston Texas
245 McKinney North McKinney Texas
261 R.L. Paschal Fort Worth Texas
305 Alamo Heights San Antonio Texas
317 Trinity ** Euless Texas
339 L. C. Anderson ** Austin Texas
348 New Braunfels New Braunfels Texas
355 S. H. Rider Wichita Falls Texas
364 Plano Plano Texas
366 Garland ** Garland Texas
406 Edinburg Edinburg Texas
415 Clear Lake Houston Texas
426 Health Careers San Antonio Texas
428 Brackenridge San Antonio Texas
436 Amon Carter-Riverside Fort Worth Texas
438 Burbank ** San Antonio Texas
440 Carroll Southlake Texas
441 Coppell Coppell Texas
452 Plano East ** Plano Texas
454 William P Clements Sugar Land Texas</p>
<p>I am a Texas Tech grad, the first date I had with my wife 25 years ago (a UT grad) we argued about the Permanent University Fund… Specific land and most importantly OIL revenue goes only to AM and UT (systems) … </p>
<p>I really think improving the draw of those schools in order (IMHO) Texas Tech, Houston, North Texas, Tex State-SM, SFA, SHSU is really a critical companion to any top 10% modification … and to the future of higher education in Texas. I have had conversations with high ranking Tech officials about tightening entrance requirements, but generally they believe giving a college education to all Texans is part of their mission and giving someone a ‘chance’ despite their high school situation is important. Well I agree with much of what has been said :)</p>
<p>Did you look at criteria for selection to the USNews Report list of HS? The reason most of these schools made the list is that they offer a lot of AP courses or are IB programs. They do not base their rankings on whether the students pass the tests or their numbers of NMSF, NMCommended, National Hispanic Scholars or National Achievement Scholars.</p>
<p>This is one of my pet peeves about this list. Additionally, if you look closely, most of the schools are the Magnet Schools in Dallas and Houston, the remainder, with the exception of Paschal in Ft Worth (Title I), are in top flyte neighborhoods. Check out my #104. My Ds HS is in the top 150.</p>
<p>Here you go Xig. My count is off from Cur’s:
Schools sending more than 50 students
2445573 PLANO WEST SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL PLANO 74 DALLAS
2440326 WESTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 72
2443509 CINCO RANCH HIGH SCHOOL KATY 70 HOUSTON
2440324 WESTLAKE HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 69
2440557 BELLAIRE SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL BELLAIRE 61 HOUSTON
2443405 LAMAR HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 61
2443736 JAMES E. TAYLOR HIGH SCHOOL KATY 61 HOUSTON
2445860 STEPHEN F AUSTIN HIGH SCHOOL SUGAR LAND 60 HOUSTON
2441471 THE WOODLANDS HIGH SCHOOL THE WOODLANDS 58 HOUSTON
2446784 WILLIAM P. CLEMENTS HIGH SCHOOL SUGAR LAND 56 HOUSTON
2445569 PLANO EAST SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL PLANO 54 DALLAS
2443361 CLEAR LAKE HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 52
2440331 JAMES BOWIE HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 51</p>
<p>Schools sending more than 30 students
2440303 MCNEIL HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 49
2440294 ANDERSON HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 47
2443424 LANGHAM CREEK HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 47
2443402 MEMORIAL HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 45
2443863 KINGWOOD HIGH SCHOOL KINGWOOD 44 HOUSTON
2446785 JOHN FOSTER DULLES HIGH SCHOOL SUGAR LAND 44 HOUSTON
2440320 AUSTIN HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 42
2441740 HIGHLAND PARK HIGH SCHOOL DALLAS 42
2441954 TEXAS ACADEMY OF MATHEMATICS & SCIENCE DENTON 42 DALLAS
2441690 CY-FAIR HIGH SCHOOL CYPRESS 39 HOUSTON
2443447 STRATFORD HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 38
2446273 CHURCHILL HIGH SCHOOL SAN ANTONIO 38 ***
2443346 CYPRESS FALLS HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 37
2446261 TOM CLARK HIGH SCHOOL SAN ANTONIO 37 ***
2440349 W CHARLES AKINS HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 35
2441174 CEDAR PARK HIGH SCHOOL CEDAR PARK 35 AUSTIN
2443358 CYPRESS CREEK HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 35
2443535 CYPRESS RIDGE HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 35
2445500 PFLUGERVILLE HIGH SCHOOL PFLUGERVILLE 35 AUSTIN
2440306 LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 34
2443317 CYPRESS SPRINGS HIGH SCHOOL CYPRESS 34 HOUSTON
2443458 WESTFIELD HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 34
2443536 TAYLOR HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 34
2441485 COPPELL SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL COPPELL 33 DALLAS
2441758 LAKE HIGHLANDS HIGH SCHOOL DALLAS 33
2446025 ROUND ROCK HIGH SCHOOL ROUND ROCK 33 AUSTIN
2440311 LAKE TRAVIS HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 32
2440305 JOHN B. CONNALLY HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 31</p>
<p>Schools sending more than 20 students
2446782 ELKINS HIGH SCHOOL MISSOURI CITY 30 HOUSTON
2441144 CREEKVIEW HIGH SCHOOL CARROLLTON 29 DALLAS
2443381 JERSEY VILLAGE SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 29
2443485 HUMBLE HIGH SCHOOL HUMBLE 29 HOUSTON
2444087 CLEAR CREEK HIGH SCHOOL LEAGUE CITY 29 HOUSTON
2446037 STONY POINT HIGH SCHOOL ROUND ROCK 29 AUSTIN
2442770 GEORGETOWN HIGH SCHOOL GEORGETOWN 28 AUSTIN
2443522 WESTSIDE HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 28
2445056 SMITHSON VALLEY HIGH SCHOOL SPRING BRANCH 28 ***
2445952 ROCKWALL HIGH SCHOOL ROCKWALL 28 DALLAS
2440077 ALLEN HIGH SCHOOL ALLEN 27 DALLAS
2442624 CLEAR BROOK HIGH SCHOOL FRIENDSWOOD 27 HOUSTON
2443420 ST AGNES ACADEMY HOUSTON 27
2441812 SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL DALLAS 26
2443394 KLEIN FOREST HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 26
2445410 PEARLAND HIGH SCHOOL PEARLAND 26 HOUSTON
2443735 KATY HIGH SCHOOL KATY 25 HOUSTON
2446693 KLEIN COLLINS HIGH SCHOOL SPRING 25 HOUSTON
2446783 I H KEMPNER HIGH SCHOOL SUGAR LAND 25 HOUSTON
2440300 MCCALLUM HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 24
2441473 OAK RIDGE JUNIOR-SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL CONROE 24 HOUSTON
2446120 ALAMO HEIGHTS SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL SAN ANTONIO 24 ***
2440078 ALIEF ELSIK HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 23
2441176 VISTA RIDGE HIGH SCHOOL CEDAR PARK 23 AUSTIN
2442322 TRINITY HIGH SCHOOL EULESS 23 DALLAS
2442434 FLOWER MOUND HIGH SCHOOL FLOWER MOUND 23 DALLAS
2445839 J.J. PEARCE HIGH SCHOOL RICHARDSON 23 DALLAS
2445841 BERKNER HIGH SCHOOL RICHARDSON 23 DALLAS
2440236 JAMES W. MARTIN HIGH SCHOOL ARLINGTON 22 DALLAS
2443531 GEORGE BUSH HIGH SCHOOL RICHMOND 22 HOUSTON
2443755 KELLER HIGH SCHOOL KELLER 22 DALLAS
2447043 TOMBALL HIGH SCHOOL TOMBALL 22 HOUSTON
2440076 ALIEF HASTINGS SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL HOUSTON 21
2440298 CROCKETT HIGH SCHOOL AUSTIN 21
2440492 STERLING HIGH SCHOOL BAYTOWN 21 HOUSTON
2444132 EDWARD S MARCUS HIGH SCHOOL FLOWER MOUND 21 DALLAS
2441400 A & M CONSOLIDATED HIGH SCHOOL A&M COLLEGE STATION 20 ***
2446788 L V HIGHTOWER HIGH SCHOOL MISSOURI CITY 20 HOUSTON</p>
<p>UnivMom, since you are a recent poster (and I offer you a warm welcome, by the way) I’ll add a bit of background regarding my views about the list. The list of HS is actually published by Newsweek, one of the hunting grounds of my “friend” Jay Mathews, the self-anointed education guru who has wasted so much ink pushing silly rankings and other asinine theories. For the record, I find his high school ranking on the level of his columns, and that means typically long on opinion and short on facts, or plain stupid. </p>
<p>Fwiw, my posting of the Newsweek was meant to represent a mirror to the admission numbers of UT-Austin, as both list do shine with the … absence of a number of schools that might not value the quantity of classes generously labeled “advanced” (AP or the faddish IB) as much as their neighbors and resist offering 20, 30, 40 of such watered-down versions to a school that barely can crack 500 on each SAT test. </p>
<p>Of course, everything is about weighed ranking in Texas!</p>
<p>No doubt firefly, but those schools are few, small and far between. </p>
<p>The list reflects the prevalence of supersized high schools in some suburban districts. Like Plano, where the senior classes at Plano HS and Plano East HS are > 1000.</p>
<p>True, but my kid’s hs is on the list as well, and there were only 454 in his graduating class, so with the number that went to UT (38) plus the number that went to A&M (more than 30, I’ll say 35), you are well over the top 10%, and that isn’t even counting kids who went to other top ranked schools, out of state or privates. </p>
<p>I’m not going to retype posts I’ve made in the past, but last year every kid I knew at our public hs (except one) who was in the top 25% got accepted to UT. In my older son’s class in 2005 (he went to a private) out of a class of 200, over 70 kids were accepted to UT, including my son who was 33%, but most chose to go elsewhere.</p>
<p>I know people love to bi*ch about the top 10% rule, but the complaints just don’t hold water in our area. (ducking for cover ;))</p>
<p>But, I will say that ryt is right about kids leaving the state and staying away. My older son was offered a full ride at UF (NMF) and took it over the admission to UT with paltry scholarship. He has met a sweetie from the Keys and is planning to stay in Florida for good. BOO!</p>
<p>Oh well, at least he’s not in Michigan or somewhere cold! There are worse places to visit…</p>