@twogirls, but even with merit, are total costs for your friend’s son at Bing less than your in-state costs?
I’ve noticed that at many publics, it’s easier as OOS to knock down costs to in-state costs than to below in-state costs. Also true with privates, where it’s easier to get a merit/discount so long as what you pay is still the same or more than the college’s average net tuition.
And getting merit to start to pay for R&B as well (as opposed to just tuition) is even tougher.
No…not less than instate costs. About the same.
CU Boulder does offer their Presidential Scholarship for the Top 1-3% of OOS applicants. Last year, for the Class of 2022, they awarded $55,000 over 4 years.
“CU Boulder does offer their Presidential Scholarship for the Top 1-3% of OOS applicants. Last year, for the Class of 2022, they awarded $55,000 over 4 years.”
Which is not even half of the OOS tuition premium (not total tuition cost) of ~$26K pa. So even top OOS students are still cash cows and need to be very well off. Pretty underwhelming compared to comparable PAC-12 schools like Utah and Arizona.
@Twoin18 “So even top OOS students are still cash cows and need to be very well off.”
When your per-student state spending is among the lowest in the nation, that cash has to come from somewhere. But hey, taxes are low so who cares right?
I don’t think a lot of Colorado people complain about the tuition, or about the OOS students paying it. I don’t think it is an easy school to get into and know a lot of instate kids who didn’t.
Other things in Boulder are going to add up too, like housing and food. It’s an expensive place to live, even when living like a college student.
@twoinanddone UVM is on the mid-size list at #5. Good OOS seem to receive generous merit scholarships while UVA (tops on that list) has almost no merit scholarships.
@twoinanddone There were plenty of complaints when local kids weren’t getting in but full-pay OOS kids with similar stats did. In general, though, I don’t think of Boulder as being terribly difficult to get in. It has an acceptance rate of 79%.
Mr. Berry, if you would consider…
The reportage of the 25th and 75th percentiles for the Math and Verbal sections is significantly understated for all the UCs and undoubtedly a lot of the other universities listed also. This won’t affect those who are trying to make a decision for a university with May 1st looming because they’ve already been accepted or denied to these colleges, but it might give a false hope for those who are applying for a following admission cycle of 2019-20 and beyond.
For instance, UCLA’s informational snapshot is given as:
• Tuition and fees: $41,275 out-of-state / $13,261 in-state
• Undergraduate enrollment: 31,002
• Percentage of undergraduates from out-of-state: 15%
• SAT Math: 600-740
• SAT Reading: 620-710
This adds to composites of 1,220 at the 25th and 1,450 at the 75th. This is probably from the 2016-2017 cycle as it’s still a bit low for the 2017-18, which if I remember would be ~ 1,240 and 1,490.
Rather, for the 2018-19 cycle, it should read as 1,280 and 1,510 for the respective percentiles – or as one would say, “the middle half of those who matriculated.” Additionally, there will be a falloff from the scores of the accepted and those who do enroll because UCLA is still a safety to the Ivies, etc. (An unreliable “safety’ because one cannot predict admission to the University as it readily rejects 4.0-uwgpa-and-1,500-score students particularly to its STEM programs.)
The 1,280 and 1,510 median scores are also not superscored, which will imply that the 50th percentile median will be greater than 1,400, likely around 1,430 instead of, say, 1,390. (The average would be materially lower as at all colleges.) Additionally, UCLA reports over 130% of scores between the SAT and ACT, meaning there are a good portion of lower scores in the reported mix that didn’t have an appreciable bearing on the enrolled students’ admit decisions because the higher of, say, two scores for a particular student will have been the one that enabled his/her acceptance to the university.
The problem lies in the various ways that each of the colleges present their CDS to the public. Comparing two colleges is indeed like having an apple in one hand and an orange in the other if one were to base things like competitiveness of a university based on college boards or other stat-based things reported in their CDSs.
One last note with respect to UCLA: the out-of-state and International students will have a significantly higher 25th percentile score than CA in-state students because the University reserves a certain portion of its admits to first-generation students, who will tend to have lower college-board scores (though not grades as a 3.92 uwgpa descends to the 38th percentile and 3.85 to the 25th for all students).
The essence is that admissions to UCLA and to the rest of the UCs is extremely convoluted when all of its various component geographic cohorts is considered, which should be mulled over by those who will be applying from outside of CA (and not to be given false hope because of some softly reported numbers).
And “out of state” by some can include International students. In 2018-19 UCLA admitted 20% domestic-students from outside of CA, and 10% International. Of course, the tuition would be the full amount for both cohorts.