northwesty The study says that 78.7 of the first rapes occurred before the age of 25
And interestingly, precollege age encompasses many more years than college age. I personally know of three women who were molested as younger children, one at age 3 or 4, one at 12, and one starting at 10 or 11 and continuing for several years.
The other comment I would make is that grad school is not a “free pass,” if a woman has gone through undergraduate work without being assaulted.
From the report. More first attacks happen pre-18 (40.4%) than 18-24 (38.3%). 15.2% happen 25-34.
"Age of First Victimization
Completed Rape
Among female victims of completed rape (completed forced penetration and completed alcohol- or drug-facilitated penetration), this form of sexual violence was first experienced by an estimated 78.7% before age 25 years, by an estimated 40.4% before age 18 years (28.3% at ages 11–17 years and 12.1% at age ≤10 years), and by an estimated 38.3% at age 18–24 years (Figure 3). In addition, among female victims of completed rape, an estimated 15.2% first experienced this at age 25–34 years, an estimated 4.6% at age 35–44 years, and an estimated 1.5% at age ≥45 years. The case counts for men reporting lifetime completed rape were too small to produce statistically reliable estimates for all age categories."
That data is pretty consistent from the reading I’ve done.
Being at home is more dangerous than being at college. Being a non-student is more dangerous than being a student. You’d never think that is possible based on what you read in the paper.
From the CDC introduction
“Sexual violence, stalking, and intimate partner violence are important public health problems that affect the lives of millions of persons in the United States. These forms of violence can lead to serious short- and long-term consequences including physical injury, poor mental health, and chronic physical health problems (1,2). For some persons, violence victimization results in hospitalization, disability, or death. Furthermore, previous research indicates that victimization as a child or adolescent increases the likelihood that victimization will reoccur in adulthood (3,4).”
I think that you would agree that it is a very very serious problem that effects the lives of millions of women
Dad13.
Absolutely. But this discussion is about college and campus. The data says my girls actually got safer when I shipped them off to their schools. Does that surprise you? It certainly surprised me when I took the time to look into it. Also surprised that assaults are less frequent now than they were 25 years ago.
And I was caused to look into it because (based on the 1 in 5 type media coverage) I thought I was a negligent father sending them off into a Rwanda-level rape epidemic.
Northwesty
That is not what it says. First rape does not mean that subsequent rapes do not happen in college. Lets also not forget the cases of sexual assault, harassment and stalking. They are extremely significant in their own right. If you add the CDC numbers together somewhere around 63.2 per cent of women experience one form of sexual violence . That is nothing to trivialize
CDC does not say anything at all about college one way or the other.
I’d encourage you to read the USDOJ study. That one specifically does says that college students are safer than non-students. And that attacks on college students are half what they were back in the 90s.
Honest question – are you surprised by that based on what you’ve read and heard about campus sex assault in the past few years?
The CDC survey is too much. It includes under sexual violence:
With questions like that, I’m surprised the rate isn’t closer to 100%.
To be fair, CDC calls that “sexual coercion” which it counts as a different offense from “completed forced penetration” which we’d all identify as rape.
Over a lifetime, CDC says 11.4% of women will be victim to “cfp.” That’s a BAD number. But it doesn’t tell you anything about college. Data says most of those appear to happen before or after college age. Especially before. And it tells you nothing about college age students vs. college age non-students.
The head exploding thing to me is that, as best I can tell, my daughters got safer when they went off to college. Safer than if they stayed at home. Safer than if they did not matriculate. Safer than what they will face after graduation. And, they are MUCH safer on campus today as compared to what their mom faced when she was in college 30 years ago.
But the only thing you read about? Current campus rape epidemic.
FYI “wearing you down by repeatedly asking for sex” is called harassment and is illegal
That is not what it says over the last three years of the study. You may want to take another look at it. The study also ONLY includes police reports. It does not include reports to school administrators. Further 80 per cent of student rapes were not reported while for non students that was 67 per cent.
That means that non students report rapes to the police at a rate which is 66 per cent higher than students. If that corrective factor is added to Table 1 in the study the college rates are much higher than the non college rates. That is really basic statistical methodology
“I’m just wondering if false accusations are uncommon when you all discuss Title IX.”
If you’re talking about accusations that are PROVEN false, it doesn’t surprise me that they are rare. It’s awfully hard to prove a negative.
@northwesty sorry your daughter did not get safer when she went to college. I would be happy to go over the statistical methodology again. No matter what the number is it is a tragedy. Also we don’t know what were the percentage of times people 30 years ago made police reports. That is an important factor in order to make conclusionary remarks.
I"d be interested to hear your explanations of these conclusions from the BJS studies:
“For the period 1995–2013, females ages 18 to 24 not enrolled in a post-secondary school were 1.2 times more likely to experience rape and sexual assault victimization (7.6 per 1,000), compared to students in the same age range (6.1 per 1,000) (table 1).”
Table 2 says 9 per 1,000 in 1997; 4.3 in 2013 for students. Although you can see that the numbers have fluctuated some up and down over that period.
“From 1995 to 2010, the estimated annual rate of female rape or sexual assault victimizations declined 58%, from
5.0 victimizations per 1,000 females age 12 or older to 2.1 per 1,000.” [This stat is not specific to college fyi.]
If the data are as you report, northwesty, I think you are interpreting them wrong. Please correct these numbers if they are not right, but you have said that among those who were raped, 12.1% were first raped before age 10, 28.3% were first raped between the ages of 11 and 17, and 38.3% were first raped between the ages of 18 and 24. So the incidence is just increasing. The period from 11 to 17 covers 7 years, as does the period from 18 to 24. The incidence of first rape increased by 35% between those two periods. In general, young women are safer at home.
Sorry, just not buying the bjs report, based on the Clery report by my university.
I think the bigger point is that vigilante justice is wrong. Presumption of guilt is wrong and calling anything under the sun asssult or rape is wrong. Charging professors with Title IX violations for speaking opinions is wrong. Most rational adults get all this and those beliefs are not attached to a particular political party. Fortunately colleges are going to get a do-over and hopefully they can learn from each other’s past mistakes and when whatever comes out of the creation of the next iteration the majority of people will nod there heads and say “as it should be.” The collateral damage unfortunately are the students who passed through college in the past six years and came into contact with the “system” with all its warts and the millions upon millions of dollars spent by colleges and unis.
“For the period 1995–2013, females ages 18 to 24 not enrolled in a post-secondary school were 1.2 times more likely to experience rape and sexual assault victimization (7.6 per 1,000), compared to students in the same age range (6.1 per 1,000) (table 1).”
This is based on police reports which are 66 per cent higher for non students. I would note that this is a fundamental error that would have been caught by peer review for any reputable journal.
Many people do believe that the violent crime rate is down. However some researchers postulate that there is much less reporting of crime than there was many years ago.
Here is another thing to think about. If the crime rate is down so much why has the prison population increased 700 PER CENT in the last 40 years Rates of incarceration for violent crimes in state prisons is about 53 per cent of the total population
Sorry but I don’t consider throwing some one out of a university for rape to be vigilante justice.
I checked the Clery Law statistics at a few other comparable universities. One university, following the letter of the law and listing only the most recent 60 days, had three reported rapes in the past two months (college out of session for one of those); it also had one kidnapping/enticement. (Let’s hope it was just “enticement.”)
Another university had 124 reported rapes in 2015, compared with 660 incidents of “theft,” which I assume includes both burglary and robbery.
A quite similar university had 25 reported rapes in 2015, and 19 incidents of burglary or robbery. Do I believe that it is unbelievably more safe than the one just above? No. They are comparable in size. Actually the one with the larger number of reported incidents is a bit smaller.
It’s also interesting that at the university with 25 rapes in 2015, a student is more likely to report being raped than to report being burglarized or robbed. At the university mentioned just above it, a student is a bit over 5 times more likely to experience theft than to experience rape. (My intuition says this is more likely to be true.)
I did not include any of the instances of domestic violence, dating violence, “fondling,” indecent exposure, or stalking on this list.
The Clery Act requires universities to report their crime statistics. If you don’t know how the Clery Act got its name, it is informative to look up.
You aren’t a rapist just because someone accuses you. Rapists need to be identified and managed by our justice system. I don’t want murderers on campus either.