The Best Universities in 1910 and 1925

Graduate School
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<p>Duke 1938
UCLA 1974</p>

<p>:)</p>

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<p>^Yeah, your upstart little brother down South seems to have gained traction awfully late in the game there UCB.:slight_smile: Now its basically considered on par with Michigan. Maybe in 20 years, the best California public school will be in Westwood…;)</p>

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<p>^^^^^^ Very cool and very interesting.</p>

<p>Did you notice that the Harvard seal includes the original motto, “Veritas Christo et Ecclessiae”, which wasn’t changed to just “Veritas” until about 1936?</p>

<p>If you look at the seal for the Royal University of Rome, is this is the same university as La Sapienza? If so, La Sapienza’s seal is different now. I wonder if the fasces on the RU of Rome seal perhaps reflects the fascist regime in power at that time, or if it’s just a Roman symbol, as on the US dime or in the US Capitol.</p>

<p>It’s interesting to see that the names and seals of several of these universities have changed since the the UM Law Library was built in the 1930s.</p>

<p>The names of the Chinese universities have changed.</p>

<p>No Russian university? Koenigsberg was a Prussian university.</p>

<p>Sparkeye, did you check to see if UM got the right seal for tOSU?</p>

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<p>“It’s amazing how the reputations of some schools have skyrocketed while it seems that of others has collapsed. Wisconsin in particular went from being a super-elite American university to an above average state school. It seems Illinois and Michigan, albeit to a smaller extent, have suffered similar declines in prestige. How in the world did Minnesota, Indiana, and Iowa make this list?”</p>

<p>In the early 20th century, all of those Big 10 universities were among the first to get into doctoral-level education in a big way. There were the PhD factories of their time. They started this endeavor when many Americans who wanted to earn PhDs were still going to Germany to do so. In the late years of the 19th Century, it still was very necessary for many students to go abroad for a PhD. In fact, many German universities looked askance at American undergrad degrees and one endeavor of the AAU was to publish an approved list of American colleges and universities that served as a seal of quality for German universities. IIRC, AAU published this list until about 1948.</p>

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<p>Yup, zapfino!! Back then, tOSU had the pyramid only seal with burning altar on top. By 1950s, the pyramid is still incorporated, however shrunk in dimension and atop the school shield as the newer design. The current seal is based on last minor modification, which occurred in the 70s (the inverted “V” within the shield which separates the open-books is now a circular “O,” signifies Ohio State and the State of Ohio). UM OTOH, pretty much continues to use Aladdin’s lamp as its school seal. :p</p>

<p>Lamp of Knowledge on top of Bible perhaps? <a href=“http://www.bentley.umich.edu/exhibits/seals/sealchro.php[/url]”>http://www.bentley.umich.edu/exhibits/seals/sealchro.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Not according to world rankings and most other fact based rankings that measure top faculty. Wisconsin still beats dukies by a mile. Some have caught up but not Duke.</p>

<p>[Academic</a> Ranking of World Universities - 2011| Top 500 universities | Shanghai Ranking - 2011 | World University Ranking - 2011](<a href=“http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2011.html]Academic”>http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2011.html)</p>

<p>Considering the direction towards a graduate school discussion and the references to graduate school rankings, this thread has been moved to the correct forum.
Trinity </p>

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<p>Here are a couple of other current (2011-12) world university rankings:</p>

<p>THES (2011-12) (US rank, world rank, school)

  1. #1 Caltech
  2. #2 Harvard, Stanford
  3. #5 Princeton
  4. #7 MIT
  5. #9 Chicago
  6. #10 UC Berkeley
  7. #11 Yale
  8. #12 Columbia
  9. #13 UCLA
  10. #14 Johns Hopkins
  11. #16 Penn
  12. #18 Michigan
  13. #20 Cornell
  14. #21 Carnegie Mellon
  15. #23 Duke
  16. #24 Georgia Tech
  17. #25 U Washington
  18. #26 Northwestern
  19. #20 Wisconsin</p>

<p>QS World University Rankings

  1. #2 Harvard
  2. #3 MIT
  3. #4 Yale
  4. #8 Chicago
  5. #9 Penn
  6. #10 Columbia
  7. #11 Stanford
  8. #12 Caltech
  9. #13 Princeton
  10. #14 Michigan
  11. #15 Cornell
  12. #16 Johns Hopkins
  13. #19 Duke
  14. #21 UC Berkeley
  15. #24 Northwestern
  16. #34 UCLA
  17. #39 Brown
  18. #41 Wisconsin
  19. #43 Carnegie Mellon
  20. #44 NYU</p>

<p>Things haven’t changed that much since the early part of the 20th century, except that upstarts like UC Berkeley, UCLA, and to a lesser extent Duke, plus technology-oriented schools like Caltech and MIT, have elbowed their way in to the top ranks. Plus Princeton and Stanford rising.</p>

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It was the location and MIT Stole my department chair.</p>

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<p>“Things haven’t changed that much since the early part of the 20th century, except that upstarts like UC Berkeley, UCLA, and to a lesser extent Duke…”</p>

<p>Notice the lesser part includes a Duke reference.</p>

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<p>As people have come to understand that prowess on the football field does not equate to educational quality, the Big Ten universities have declined in prestige.</p>

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<p>yeah, that’s what it was annasdad. Top to bottom, the Big Ten universities are just run of the mill post secondary institutions. One might as well go to cooking school.</p>

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<p>The ACC is better than the Big 10 as an academic conference though with regards to prestige, which is all that anyone cares about. The Big 10 (or is it 12 now?) is doing worse in football too of late.</p>

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<p>Auto Qualifier Conferences Academically ranked

  1. ACC
  2. Big 10
  3. Pac 12
  4. Everyone else, not even close</p>
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<p>We have seen that for at least one “prestige” ACC school it is a case of more hat than cattle. You might say prestige where and among whom.</p>

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<p>goldenboy8784,</p>

<p>Maybe for bunch of 18yo, ACC has more prestige. But Big 10 (Pac 12 also) schools bring in a lot more research than ACC schools. If you are talking about research, which is what universities care the most, whether you like it or not, there’s no question Big 10 conference is significantly stronger.</p>

<p>In various world rankings, ACC schools are doing very poorly.</p>

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<p>Or Cornell - doesn’t it have a cooking school?</p>

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<p>barrk123, </p>

<p>Auto Qualifier Conferences Academically ranked (based on research / faculty / graduate and international rankings)</p>

<ol>
<li>Big 10 / Pac 12
gap</li>
<li>ACC</li>
<li>the rest</li>
</ol>

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<p>So basically based on only things the B1G is strong in?
Good job.</p>

<p>Also suggesting the PAC is anywhere near the B1G or ACC is an absolute joke.</p>

<p>World/Grad rankings don’t mean anything</p>

<p>This is discussed every day on ESPN and the only people who think the Big 10 is the top conference are B1G fans. Everyone else agrees it is the ACC</p>

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<p>^^^Well, Cornell can teach you to grow the food, select what’s most nutritious, and how to serve it with style in fancy hotels.</p>

<p>For actual cooking, try Harvard: [Science</a> & Cooking ? Harvard School of Engineering and Applied Sciences](<a href=“http://www.seas.harvard.edu/cooking]Science”>http://www.seas.harvard.edu/cooking)</p>

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<p>barrk123,</p>

<p>What else are more important than research and faculty? Lacrosse?</p>

<p>But I’d say Big 10 is also a lot stronger in traditions and character than ACC. ACC seems just like bunch of dismiliar schools being randomly pulled together. It probalby has the least character out of all conferences.</p>