The Bird Hotel - August CC Book Club Selection

When reading interviews, I noticed Joyce Maynard doubling down on the idea of herself as a victim of overly PC publishers:

Q: I was interested in what you wrote in your acknowledgments. What was the initial reaction to the book? Did you have trouble pitching it?

A: “The Bird Hotel” is written from the point of view of [a North American] woman. In no way do I appropriate the voice or point of view of the Latinx community, or those of Indigenous heritage. But in our current world, it appears, a writer must confine herself to stories set in the culture of her origins — and none other. I, as a white writer raised in New England, can no longer tell a story involving characters who come from different backgrounds from my own.
https://www.boston.com/culture/books/2023/07/05/life-imitates-art-for-joyce-maynard-author-of-the-bird-hotel/

I don’t think her last two sentences are accurate.

I just finished Demon Copperhead, written by 70-year-old, white, female Barbara Kingsolver narrating in the first person as a Melungeon teen boy caught up in the foster system during the opioid crisis. Looking at our CC club books: Geraldine Brooks is not a 19th century Black horse trainer (Horse); Daniel Mason is not a Puritan woman, an elderly spinster, a gay artist, or a runaway slave (North Woods); Amor Towles is not of Russian descent, much less from nobility (A Gentleman in Moscow); and Shelby Van Pelt is not an octopus (Remarkably Bright Creatures). The list goes on and on.

Yes, it’s a challenge to write outside one’s own culture and experience, and it requires a great deal of sensitivity, along with expansive knowledge and a dash of imagination, but it’s done – and often done well.

Looking online, it seems that a common pitfall is employing cultural elements as “decoration” rather than creating authentic, complex characters. Perhaps the The Bird Hotel’s lack of an indigenous character with real depth struck publishers as superficial.

Also, did anyone else think there was a tiny bit of White Savior in Irene’s character? She’s sort of a benevolent queen — arranging for lifelong financial security for her household staff, graciously forgiving Elmer and Walter after they steal, giving away her land adjacent to the hotel to local families for farmimg. These are all fine, generous acts. But to have those gifts come from a wealthy white outsider to an indigenous people might result in misinterpretation of the author’s intent.

In any case, I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall during the publisher discussions that preceded the book’s rejection.

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The term white savior is a critical description of a white person who is depicted as liberating, rescuing or uplifting non-white people; it is critical in the sense that it describes a pattern in which people of color in economically under-developed nations that are majority non-white are denied agency and are seen as passive recipients of white benevolence. White savior - Wikipedia

I also wonder if Maynard had trouble pitching the book for the reasons you mention or because the book just didn’t grab publishers’ interest. I’m sorta ambivalent about the book overall and I get the impression many of you guys feel the same. Did publishers state that the reason for refusal was because of appropriation? Anyway, I finished the book thinking that place - setting - was the focus. Maynard loves the setting and the myriad details that make the hotel unique. I don’t think she sensed the less-than-likeable things about Irene mentioned in this discussion. In a way Maynard wrote a book about an environment she created in real life and pays tribute to herself through Irene. Example: Irene paints each afternoon; Maynard writes each afternoon. I sense a stubbornness about wanting publication. She definitely shopped for publication. Arcade Publishing has less than 25 employees and so on. Maybe the multiple errors we noted have something to do with the small size of the publishing company.

Her Afterword felt defensive/defiant. Easier to blame PC as the reason for refusal, right?

Regardless: the overall Goodreads rating is high … though the number of ratings isn’t. I don’t know what that means other than she has name recognition and fans.

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Oddly this is the second or third book I have liked less after reading the afterward! The most recent book being the last one we read here!

99% of the time, I like a book more when we are finished with discussion, not less. Our conversations lead me to repeatedly return to the book to find details of an event or re-read a passage. Often when I do that, I see the book’s structure with greater clarity, find a gem of a beautifully worded sentence, or get a stronger sense of subtle themes that the author is incorporating into the story. With The Bird Hotel, every return to the book seemed to reveal another crack. In the end for me, it was a quick and fairly entertaining read that didn’t hold up to scrutiny.

As a result, I’m afraid my posts were overwhelmingly negative. But I want to end on a positive note, so here’s a “rebuttal” — a couple of glowing reviews that illustrate the fan base that @ignatius mentioned:

I also want to add that it was very interesting to learn about Joyce Maynard and her back story. The piece written by her sister Rona (that @oldmom4896 shared in the random article thread) and the companion article written by Joyce were fascinating. Here are the links:

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I’m ready whenever you are to select our October book!

@abasket mentioned Hello Beautiful.

We mentioned Frankenstein at one time. Sounds about right for an October read.

Nettle & Bone - T. Kingfisher. It won the 2023 Hugo Award and has starred reviews from Booklist and Publisher’s Weekly. It’s another one I’ve wanted to read and October sounds good.

The Invisible Life of Addie LaRue has been considered a couple times and nearly chosen for discussion. Maybe now or never should be our motto for this one.

Enlightenment - Sarah Perry. We liked her book The Essex Serpent.

I’m not a fan of scary/gothic books so can’t help much there. I may have given high rankings to The Invisible Life before.

There are several recent posts about Hello Beautiful in the best books thread and it has a mixed reaction.

I’d rather read something new but loved Nettle and Bone. It feels more like twisted fairy tale than gothic to me. Frankenstein is a short and easy read. Interesting the way it’s put together.

Anything that Frankenstein could be paired with (since it’s short and easy) for a more wide-ranging discussion?

Maybe I Robot by Isaac Asimov, a series of short stories:

an adventure into a not-so-distant future where man and machine , struggle to redefine life, love, and consciousness—and where the stakes are nothing less than survival. Filled with unforgettable characters, mind-bending speculation, and nonstop action, I, Robot is a powerful reading experience from one of the master storytellers of our time.

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How do I nominate our fearless Book club leader, @Mary13 for the award for the “ most “ conscientious” , balanced and caring “ book discussion facilitator EVER” award?

She had very solid reasons for not liking this selection, but yet, she felt the need to show reviews of the the “ opposing views !

Isn’t she amazing !

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@jerseysouthmomchess, you are too kind. This is my favorite place to hang out. :heart:

I like the suggestions so far! @mathmom, is that a veto for Nettle and Bone, or should I leave it on the list?

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I recently read Azimov’s iRobot for another book club and wouldn’t mind at all reading it again. It is very interesting and, although it’s like a 70-year-old book, it’s still very relevant. Azimov was prescient.

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Not a veto, but I do know there are some people here who aren’t fans of fantasy. Frankenstein in many ways is the invention of sci fi/fantasy genre, so I think pairing it with something more modern works well. I haven’t read I, Robot in ages, but I think it would be a better pairing since it deals with ideas about sentience and self-determination. (If I remember correctly, there were a lot of sequels!) I think that could be a fun discussion.

I’m still in Vermont, so I’m on sporadically!

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I’m not a fan of depressing books with dead children but there are a lot of them!

If we ignore horror themed books, are there more suggestions? I just ran into a book called Playground by Richard Powers which sounds interesting, but know nothing about it or the author. That’s my bad because he apparently is a brilliant prolific author.

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Playground sounds very interesting (and timely). Richard Powers wrote The Overstory. I haven’t read The Overstory, but I know some people who absolutely loved it and others…not so much. But Powers is an accomplished writer and I’m sure anything he writes would generate a good discussion.

Also re non-horror, @ignatius suggested Enlightenment by Sarah Perry. That’s on my shelf, as yet unread. That would be a great choice as well.

Re Frankenstein, a modern book to pair it with would be Poor Things by Alasdair Gray (basis for the award-winning movie, which I did not actually like, but I’ve read that the film diverged significantly from the book). Just a thought.

It is an older book but how about Molokai by Alan Brennert. It tells the story of someone who had to go to the island Molokai because of leprosy. I really enjoyed it. Although, another book about a lush tropical island might be too much, too soon.

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I still like the I, Robot pairing mainly because we haven’t played with short stories since Alice Munro and that was fun.

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