The Clinton Iraq Plan - Keep Troops There Permanently

<p>I could, but I am curious how somebody knows so much about a couple’s private life?</p>

<p>If my wife and I died in a car crash and our parents, best friends, our kids, and fellow workers were interviewed about us and our relationship, there would be plenty of inaccuracies, to say the least.</p>

<p>If you interviewed my wife and me, you would get two different stories. :)</p>

<p>Maybe, a writer could interview people and then know you and your spouse, every which way, but I’m skeptical. ;)</p>

<p>So, excuse me if I think the whole idea of reading about the Clinton’s relationship, as fact, is preposterous.</p>

<p>Wow idad, for a feminist type of guy, you sure do sugar-coat Hillary’s CV gaps. I don’t see it that way.</p>

<p>I admire her election to the senate. I admire the work she has done since then. A six year stint in the senate makes her a political baby. What makes her a so-called ‘heavy-weight’ is the money she raises by virtue of her marriage to Bill–and his pull power.</p>

<p>She pedals him out for effect whenever she needs the big bucks or the big emphasis. He is THE superstar of the Dem party and will probably overshadow everyone until he dies–with the exception of Obama. Obama has equal wattage.</p>

<p>I don’t care about the marriage. Lots of women stay married to sexy cheats (btw hs, I think you’re dead wrong about Hillary’s attraction. I thnk she adores the guy and is a very healthy female). I care that she dialed her own ambition back to naught --for nearly three decades. If her CV came across my desk in 2000 and I didn’t know anything about her marriage or her husband’s job, I’d say the same thing. Why the backward pedal and why so long?</p>

<p>She’s making up ground in a hurry and she has guts but I have hesitations about the strength of her backbone–based on her career choices.</p>

<p>I know some of the female superstars of that era. They have had stratospheric careers–with and without gaps for children and marriage. I understand their career paths very well which is why I don’t understand her career choices up until 2000.</p>

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<p>Then you disagree with Bill Keller of the New York Times:</p>

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<p>Yikes, I’d be worried about disease, if nothing else. :)</p>

<p>I don’t think the Clintons’ relationship can be assessed nor should it, so I disagree with the person who wrote that in the NYT. If that’s the NYT’s position, then I disagree with it.</p>

<p>I don’t think your relationships should be assessed either. They are private.</p>

<p>I also think this obsession about the Clintons’ relationship tells us more about those obsessing about the Clintons’ relationship than about the Clintons.</p>

<p>I don’t particularly like Hillary Clinton, but I agree that her relationship with her husband is no one’s business. I also don’t see that her experiences as a lawyer, first lady of Arkansas and first lady of the US are insignificant – there’s a lot one can learn behind the scenes. I don’t see Obama as having anything more to offer than HC, although I’m unlikely to vote for either one.</p>

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<p>What gaps? She left law school and was staff attorney for the Childrens Defense Fund and the House Judiciary Committee impeachment hearings (so was Arlen Spector).</p>

<p>She moved to Arkansas and was one of only two female professors at the Arkansas school of law.</p>

<p>She joined the state’s primo law firm and became the first female partner, where she practiced law for the 12 years her husband was governor. She was twice named one of the country’s 100 most influential attornies. Note that, during this period, she was as busy building a network of political associates around the country as Bill was. All of the education and childrens’ advocacy friends the Clintons have around the country were the result of her career-building as she got herself appointed to boards around the country.</p>

<p>I hardly think she was a “stay at home” First Lady in Washington. Certainly not from the books, written by friend and foe, I’ve read on the Clinton administration. Ask Dick Morris whether Hillary Clinton faded into the wallpaper. She gutted him like a fish. </p>

<p>She certainly was not hidden in the shadows on health care reform! One of the reasons I think she could make a decent President is the hard lessons she learned in screwing that up – lessons in political pragmatism (aka “the LBJ factor”) that have made her a very effective Senator.</p>

<p>The only way you could cite “gaps on her CV” would be if you simply dismissed her years as a partner at a top Arkansas law firm because you dismiss Arkansas. You might want to talk to the Stephens and the Walton families about Arkanasas.</p>

<p>I think for many women, forgiving Hillary for Bill’s cheating means accepting that ultimately a husband’s fidelity is up to him not her. And that’s a little too threatening for some people. Better to believe that the women who get cheated on are somehow inferior.</p>

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<p>I’d be more worried about it with philanderer John Mccain. He claimed to be “stumped” today on the question of whether condoms reduce the spread of HIV.</p>

<p>Good to see that things never change on these threads~ ;)</p>

<p>FYI: Bill Keller is Executive Editor of the NYT.</p>

<p>Gosh, AM: I thought this was a pretty decent discussion 'til your attempt to tank it. :)</p>

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<p>Probably because the anti-abortion crowd he is pandering to is also against the use of condoms.</p>

<p>Yep. I find it hard to believe that a US Senator setting health care and education policy is as ignorant as he claims to be. Have you read the discussion? It was very illuminating.</p>

<p>He was asked if he was in favor of funding abstinence only sex ed in Africa, despite the high rate of HIV. He said he didn’t know but he thought he was, because he would support the president’s policy.</p>

<p>Then he was asked the same question about funding for sex ed in the US. Same answer; he doesn’t know his own position, but if it’s the president’s position, he supports it.</p>

<p>Do condoms prevent the spread of HIV?</p>

<p>He’s “stumped”; he says he’s “not informed.” </p>

<p>Assuming condoms do prevent the spread of HIV, would he support including this information in government funded sex ed?</p>

<p>He doesn’t know, he needs his aides to find a position paper on it, but somehow the document got lost.</p>

<p>McCain is one of the biggest disappoints to me.</p>

<p>He is supposed to be a man of integrity (although he was one of the Keating Five).</p>

<p>He moved to be like Bush right at the time Bush started tanking.</p>

<p>He gave a good speech at the link Interesteddad provided, but his politics…</p>

<p>What happened?</p>

<p>And he isn’t going to win. He had a better chance if he ran as a fiscal conservative, as somebody who doesn’t want the government in the bedroom and as somebody that wants to separate church and state.</p>

<p>I still think McCain is anticipating an attack on Iran, and is hoping the election will fall in the window between the early, successful onslaught, and the long, disastrous occupation. </p>

<p>I can’t think of any other reason he would try so strongly to equate himself with Bush, when Bush’s approval rating is at an all-time low.</p>

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<p>I didn’t think so. </p>

<p>He read the entire speech looking down at his printed remarks. The delivery of a tired old man.</p>

<p>My dear old father, lifelong Republican voter and contributor, threw in the towel and voted for Kerry in the last election. The straw that broke the camel’s back for him was Bush’s first term policy ending condom distribution in Africa in the face of a massive AIDS health crisis.</p>

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<p>The only think McCain cares about is pandering to the fundamentalist religious jihad base of the Republican party.</p>

<p>True, dat.</p>

<p>“The only think McCain cares about is pandering to the fundamentalist religious jihad base of the Republican party”</p>

<p>I think that is going to be a big loser in the general election.</p>

<p>I don’t think he is going to get the nomination either.</p>