<p>I have been living in China as an expat for the last two years. I have to admit, it would be interesting to see whether the chinese can change their educational thinking.
There are so many fields here (I’m thinking engineering primarily since I know some engineers) where they must have expats to supervise. The chinese engineers can spout off a formula in a second, but when faced with a problem that needs a solution, they are clueless.
The looming housing bubble and overbuilding that economists feel is a sure sign of disaster is always in the news. The one child policy with it’s “little emporers”, including schools for young children where things are padded and no exercise is allowed so that there is no possibility of their little “treasures” being hurt, all while tens of millions of people still live in caves. Oh so many problems…</p>
<p>Chinese high school graduates seem to do fine in US colleges, despite coping with a foreign language.</p>
<p>Chinese college graduates, including or especially in engineering, seem to do fine in US graduate programs or as H1B employees or as immigrant professionals.</p>
<p>What is so innovative and creative about US education? Through K-12 it looks like busywork to collect points towards an A. Plenty multiple choice testing. Then some cramming for the test to take SATs, and off to university.</p>
<p>US university is so creative? Take a STEM program in a big state school - rigorous courses, capable professors, lots of p-sets and lab work - just like China.</p>
<p>Of course Chinese teachers can learn from an exemplary science magnet high school in the US, just as US teachers could learn from the top Chinese institutions.</p>
<p>It is delusional thinking to imagine that Chinese graduates en masse can’t think and solve problems.</p>
<p>A recent article from msnbc/nyt:</p>
<p>Why Apple says it can’t build an iPhone in the US? (You could google it.)</p>
<p>Be forewarned: quite a depressing article.</p>
<p>"But as Steven P. Jobs of Apple spoke, President Obama interrupted with an inquiry of his own: what would it take to make iPhones in the United States?
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Mr. Jobs’s reply was unambiguous. “Those jobs aren’t coming back,” he said, according to another dinner guest. </p>
<p>The president’s question touched upon a central conviction at Apple. It isn’t just that workers are cheaper abroad. Rather, Apple’s executives believe the vast scale of overseas factories as well as the flexibility, diligence and industrial skills of foreign workers have so outpaced their American counterparts that “Made in the U.S.A.” is no longer a viable option for most Apple products. "</p>
<p>Personally, the US is falling behind China in STEM education significantly, and has been for a while. True, we have Berkeley and MIT while Shanghai Tech and Beijing Polytech are not nearly as prestigous (I made those up btw). But each High school in China is testing subjects that only the privilidged AP/IB schools in the US can muster.</p>
<p>China (and India’s) STEM kids aren’t going to go to their universities- but to ours. And in a decade or two, their professors will be on par. Their companies will produce items on par with Japan at a fraction of the price.</p>
<p>All the ingenous ideas of our labs will be replicated in a matter of time. But, there is one area China cannot defeat us- Silicon Valley. Frankly, Chinese scientists develop items for practicality, not public/social use.</p>
<p>"Chinese high school graduates seem to do fine in US colleges, despite coping with a foreign language.</p>
<p>Chinese college graduates, including or especially in engineering, seem to do fine in US graduate programs or as H1B employees or as immigrant professionals."</p>
<p>When you have more than 1.3 billion people, there are going to be a lot of outstanding ones. Those that come to the US are the brightest and mostly the richest. The talk about China overtaking the US reminds me of the Japanese taking over the world back in the 1970’s. We see pictures of their gleaming cities etc, but travel a few miles out of those cities and you’ll get a better idea of all the problems that China going forward will have to face.</p>
<p>I haven’t read the Apple article but being in the same general line of business as Apple (pfeh :-)) I can tell you the labor costs are not the killer if you have the profit margins Apple has.</p>
<p>Manufacturing in China.
[How the US lost out on iPhone work](<a href=“Apple, America and a Squeezed Middle Class - The New York Times”>Apple, America and a Squeezed Middle Class - The New York Times)</p>
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<p>Nope, they got plenty left behind at home.</p>
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<p>Well, the point is that the tech jobs in Silicon Valley are being done, to a significant degree, by people trained elsewhere, such as India and China. The salary structure in China is now bringing a lot of people back.</p>
<p>Of course, the present focus in China may be more practical as they build up infrastructure and develop resources. Maybe being practical is not a bad thing, and does contribute social value.</p>
<p>That article is depressing, both from a US competitiveness standpoint, and on the horrid conditions that the Chinese workers face. I seem to recall that Foxconn has nets built along the dormitories to catch the suicide jumpers, and that the employees are encouraged not to get to know their dorm mates.</p>
<p>““What they need is not more STEM graduates, but more customers in their own country for their own products and services (internal growth)… I’d look towards the Turkey, Taiwan, and South Korea models where they have very good STEM education but also thriving middle class consumers.””</p>
<p>China has done superbly with their economy by following their own experimentations. They may as well continue to explore on their own, while taking into consideration of other opinions. But nobody else knows China more than China themselves, so they have been and will be better off constructing their own model instead.</p>
<p>““I wish China can do well in everything so that they can contribute back to mankind.””</p>
<p>The proud product of a Western curriculum lacking of Asian history and in this case, Chinese history. :-)</p>
<p>""Maybe these bright tudents can figure out hiw to find people to live in the ‘ghost cities’ they have built to stimulate their economy…google chinese ghost cities,it is scary… “”</p>
<p>This is primarily a result of the US$ 586 billion stimulus package in China after the 2008 financial crisis. Some building projects already planned and with real future demands, were accelerated to buffer the Chinese economy. With the forthcoming development of the hinterlands and a fast-growing economy, those cities will likely be filled in the next few years.</p>
<p>““I was amazed this past summer to find out that many rural people - children included are illiterate. There are also many areas without any schools. I think we exaggerate the Chinese story.””</p>
<p>Depending on where you take a snapshot of China, about 5 % of the population are living in developed-world economic standards, mostly along the coastal cities, i.e. more than 50 million people, about half the population of Japan. And yet the average income in China is only about one-tenth of those in the developed world. There are still enormous demand for development of the hinterlands, which would also be a major driving force of the Chinese economy for decades to come. Overall, it has been unprecedented in human history for China to have brought literally hundreds of millions out of poverty in merely 3 decades, although there are still another hundreds of millions waiting to move up the economic ladder. So which part of the story you would like to emphasize. :-)</p>
<p>““Lots of China’s news are being blocked for the Western world. So, do not assume everything you read or saw is atypical. While the economy is seemed booming in China, the problems are abound…””</p>
<p>…which is a reason that, for example, when news of riots in China occasional reach the Western media, some have reacted as if the sky were falling. 
But they never may have realized that riots practically occur every other month, some more serious, some less, in different parts of China for many years. Much of the western media, whether through ignorance or political bias, is providing a dis-service to the public for their selective coverage and inept interpretation of news in China.</p>
<p>““The US education should definitely not try to emulate China’s education for the masses - many of the masses receive no education… The talk about China overtaking the US reminds me of the Japanese taking over the world back in the 1970’s…””</p>
<p>Nobody really needed to “emulate” anybody else. Statements like the above are only bating for an unnecessary ****ing contest and also revealing a lot of insecurity underneath. :-)</p>
<p>““The situation in China is not nearly as picture perfect as many americans believe. The view of a rising Dragon set to take over the entire Pacific region is very misguided.””</p>
<p>I don’t know of the “many Americans” you mentioned above, but the Cold War mentality toward China, is indeed misguided. :-)</p>
<p>""You’re not too good in math if you force a one-child policy that icludes gender selection resulting in a failure to balance the boys and the girls - doh! “”</p>
<p>There is a one-child policy in China, but it doesn’t include gender selection per se. Preferences by certain individuals isn’t an official policy.</p>
<p>“”…Oh so many problems…“”</p>
<p>Not that there aren’t problems to be solved in China, who says China is problem-free anyway, other than those making up strawman arguments, but the above tone sounds more like tabloid to me. :-)</p>
<p>““China (and India’s) STEM kids aren’t going to go to their universities- but to ours. And in a decade or two, their professors will be on par. Their companies will produce items on par with Japan at a fraction of the price… All the ingenous ideas of our labs will be replicated in a matter of time. But, there is one area China cannot defeat us- Silicon Valley. Frankly, Chinese scientists develop items for practicality, not public/social use.””</p>
<p>A few observations:</p>
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<li><p>Probably less than 100 K Chinese students (undergraduate and graduate, combined at any one time) study STEM in the US, out of a college-abound class of about annually 10 M. So the majority of Chinese students are studying STEM at home, instead of abroad.</p></li>
<li><p>“Moreover, the number of Chinese theses published in the world’s 173 highest-rated publications – including Science and Nature – reached 5,203 last year, the second most in the world, the report said.”, [China</a> publishes the second most scientific papers in international journals in 2010: report](<a href=“http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2011-12/02/c_131284862.htm]China”>http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2011-12/02/c_131284862.htm) .</p></li>
<li><p>“Patent filings are soaring across most sectors in China – last year (2010) there were 313,854 patents registered in the country according to the Thomson Reuters Derwent World Patents Index, a 12 percent rise from 2009… China was the third highest filer of patents in 2010, just behind the U.S., which registered 326,945 and Japan with 337,497. (essentially a 3-way tie between US, Japan, and China)”, [Analysis:</a> China’s telecom patent boom heralds innovation era | Reuters](<a href=“http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/25/us-china-patents-idUSTRE77O0VX20110825]Analysis:”>http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/25/us-china-patents-idUSTRE77O0VX20110825) .</p></li>
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<p>““Those that come to the US are the brightest and mostly the richest…””</p>
<p>Only some are. Many more either have failed or tried to avoid the Gaokao, the university entrance exam in China and take refuge abroad.</p>
<p>““That article is depressing, both from a US competitiveness standpoint, and on the horrid conditions that the Chinese workers face…””</p>
<p>And also depressing from the standpoint that, many of those complaining about the situation are buying Apple products to fund the same.</p>
<p>I wonder how many Chinese men will be emigrating elsewhere to find wives?</p>
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[Matt</a> Ridley on the Missing Baby Girls | Mind & Matter - WSJ.com](<a href=“http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204555904577166820193811222.html]Matt”>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204555904577166820193811222.html)</p>
<p>I don’t know. But HK men have been seeking for wives from China, because they find the locals somewhat too snobbish. I hope no HK women are reading… :-)</p>
<p>Thank you Stillgreen for your intelligent remarks. I especially appreciate that you noted that we are actually getting many of the 2nd tier Chinese students here, not the first. The first tier students are staying in their country because they made it through a very tough competitive process to be admitted at the few universities in China. The Chinese students we get here come from families who are financially able to send their not so stellar student overseas.</p>
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<p>Two things to keep in mind:</p>
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<li><p>Competition on the Gaokao is so stiff that in the 2007 case, less than half of all applicants gained admission to ANY higher ed institution nationwide.</p></li>
<li><p>One needs to take an exam to gain admission to an academic high school(college-prep oriented) to qualify to take the Gaokao. Most junior high graduates don’t pass the academic high school entrance exams and end up going to vocational training schools, start apprenticeships in a trade, or start working as unskilled labor. </p></li>
<li><p>Consequently…even gaokao applicants who couldn’t get into the first two tiers of Chinese universities would probably overlap with our best and the brightest…except the very tippytop. A reason why I knew several such Chinese undergrads attending various Ivy/elite universities/LACs. </p></li>
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<p>It’s also a reason why many Chinese grad students on the same campus looked upon their undergrad counterparts with some disdain…as they didn’t take the “proper path” they took of elite Chinese undergrad(i.e. Peking U, Tsinghua U, etc) and then grad school abroad in places like the US. </p>
<p>That’s not to say we’re not getting genuinely mediocre Chinese students in the US over the last few years. However…most are ending up at lower-tiered US universities…and are noticeably different in academic acumen compared with the ones I knew at my LAC or several elite/respectable universities in the '90s and early-mid '00s.</p>
<p>Any country that is developing as rapidly as China is is not going to have problems, heck any country has. With China it is like other things, there are those who see it as the model on the way to do things, and others who see it as a bunch of lies, and the answer lies in the middle with all kinds of shades of gray.</p>
<p>Yes, China has and is spending a lot of money on education, there is no doubt about it, and because it is run by an autocratic state unlike the patchwork of education we have in the US (sorry, folks, local control doesn’t equal great outcomes all the time). If you live in Rural mississippi or you live in Scarsdale, NY often determines how good your education is. And autocratic societies often are more efficient (not better, efficient)…anyone remember the lesson of Sputnik? The USSR put a tremendous effort into education, they were turning out scientists and other trained professionals in high rates, and it looked like a panacea, and compared to the US, where math and science education had lagged in many places, it looked like it. The US got scared, and poured real money and resources into science and math education…</p>
<p>Yet the reality of the USSR is while they did have some achievements, there is a downside to autocratic societies, and that is they don’t innovate well. In physics Russian researchers were often near the top of the heap in many fields, for example, nobel prizes and such, but the Russians never were able to make the strides in things like integrated circuits and computers, they basically ended up reverse engineering western made components (DEC engineers on the CPU chip for the VAX line of computers, had inscribed in Cyrillic “VAX, when you want to copy only the best”…</p>
<p>Japan is another example of a culture that was supposed to ‘take over the world’, anyone remember when Japanese methods and such were making consultants millions, how we should copy Japanese schools, etc…no one is doing that today, for a good reason (though Japan had major influence in things like quality control and manufacturing, almost all cars are made in a lean production style environment pioneered by Toyota and others), and last I heard, Japan was thinking about trying to use India as an example of how to remake their education system.</p>
<p>The Chinese education system does have problems, and even parents and officials there admit it, the heavy emphasis on rote drills and learning knowledge for tests is all great and wonderful, but it is one dimensional in its approach, but people also tend to measure things by one dimensional measures, things like SAT scores and standardized tests and even grades to a certain extent can be achieved by drilling and drilling and a lot of hard work (and there is nothing wrong with that, you obviously need that). The problem is in the real world, when you get to problem solving, when you get to creating unique solutions, what you got on an SAT or what you got on a chem test or whatever may not allow someone to solve a real world problem. The problem with such systems, too, is they can be gamed, one dimensional tests, one dimensional answers can be gamed, with cram schools, test taking techniques, etc. As someone else posted, the premiere schools in China are trying to take an approach more like typical western schools would do and less like the infamous “Tiger Mom” here in the US. </p>
<p>Someone pointed out the H1b visa holders, and that is an interesting example. Once upon a time H1b visas were for extraordinary skills, they were for things like solid state physicists, engineers and mathematicians are a PHd level, unique skills. Somewhere along the way, it got turned into a guest worker program, today to be an H1b visa holder you simply have to have the skills to do the job, and these are not rocket science, I am talking java programmers, SA’s, dbas and so forth, and quite frankly, a lot of the people who are H1B’s these days are ordinary, they are drone workers hired because despite all the blather about the laws, they are a lot cheaper then paying someone who is a citizen or green card, because H1 visa holders can’t change jobs without another firm supporting them…there are obviously bright H1 visa holders, but many of them are ordinary, and working in IT as a hiring level manager I am speaking from experience.</p>
<p>The other side of it is cultural, and that is where the Chinese may find the biggest hurdles. Innovation doesn’t come about in neat, structured ways, it doesn’t come about politely, it is often quite ugly and frankly disruptive. I talk to a lot of Chinese born colleagues, have several working for me, and one of the things they talk about back home is the frustration of a very hierarchical, autocratic system, where bosses say is all, where thinking outside the box is not only not encouraged, but is penalized. The people who innovate are the mavericks, and how do you have mavericks in a society that frowns on them, or puts them in jail. Russia had the same problem, one of the reasons the Russians did little in computers was because everything there was steeped in ideology, and according to the bureacrats and such, cybernetics was against the dictates of “marxism-Lennon”; genetics was a joke there, because the theories of Leschenko, who postulated that environmental aspects were inherited genetically (plant a bag of sugar around wheat, the seeds of the plant would be a sweeter grade of wheat), was taken as gospel because it fit ideology. </p>
<p>China has the same problem in slightly different ways. The culture is hierarchical and there is a tendency to think that ‘great ideas come from the top’. More importantly,there is this tremendous fear of change, when you see artists censored, when you see ideas blocked or people put in jail for thinking ‘impure ideas’, you have a problem, because innovation comes from there, it comes from the radicals, it comes from the mavericks. Take a look at the history of creativity and innovation, you see mavericks. The internet and the pc revolution didn’t come out of IBM, far from it, they came out of labs and people not afraid to say “what if”, out of laboratories, out of dreaming. Edison if he lived in today’s China would probably be in jail or shot, and those who created the revolution in physics around the turn of the 20th century would have prob never gotten their foot in the door, because after all, what came before was ‘the truth’ i.e newton, maxwell, etc…when you have a government that banned plant or selling Jasmine plants, because the middle east revolt came to be known as the “jasmine revolution”, tells you a lot about the issues. </p>
<p>I was reading an article the other day, about the so called ‘Sea Turtles’, kids who went to the west for school and now started going home and one of the things they talked about was the frustration they had when they went into labs and industry back home in China and compared to the relative freedom they had to explore ideas in western research labs and such, they found bureacracy and a lot of pressure to conform to what the heads of the lab wanted, or worse, to basically spend a lot of time reverse engineering what others had done rather then develop knew ideas…</p>
<p>In terms of a “Chinese Century” keep in mind that people said that about Japan at one point and it didn’t happen, but on the other hand Japan had made influence on how things are done. I am dubious about that, not because China can’t or won’t achieve levels of prominence and such, it will, but they have a lot of things to work through first, to find their own level. The US might have dominated the second half of the 20th century but it took almost 170 years to reach that level, through a very twisted path, and China because it is huge and has huge issues, is going to take time to find its own level. They also need to find their own path, right now they are in what is called the imitative phase, much of what they do is based on what others have produced or are producing, R and D in China to a large extent is about reverse engineering and frankly industrial espionage (talk to computer security experts, and they will tell you that attempts to break into systems and steal trade secrets and such predominantly originate from China, often from research labs and such associated with the government and military), and intellectual property is very much a fluid thing there.People cite the patents coming out of China, but be careful about that, a lot of those patents are improvements or incremental changes on other patents, and a lot of those filings may not get approved, from what I know a significant number of patent requests from China are denied, found not to be original, so be careful.</p>
<p>You can’t have a “Chinese Century” based on cheap manufacturing or on taking the lead from others, it comes from innovation, it comes from developing your own ideas and leading. Can China do this? Obviously, yes, it is a big country with a very old culture, which has its plusses and minuses, but it remains to be seen. China has competitors (India is one of them), and that is what is healthy, and don’t write the US off either, we have advantages as well China doesn’t have. Despite all the blather, we still have a relatively educated population (put it this way, of Chinas 1.x billions, a lot of them are uneducated or ill educated, as much as 800 million of them), and we still have kids I see every day who are humping it, working hard in school and succeeding, all kinds of kids. We have our own problems, of course, a lot of the best and brightest are heading to where the gold lies, in finance and business and getting an MBA and being an investment banker and not enough going into tech and science and the like, kids want to be plastic surgeons who make a lot of money, not researchers in medicine finding cures to diseases and such, and there are issues with how we deliver education (the current state based system is a mess, quite frankly, and we are the only industriazed or industrializing country that treats education as a local matter, which worked great in the days of the settlers and such and little house on the prairie, it doesn’t work today, when education is obviously a major issue to the country’s future). </p>
<p>One cautionary tale from the not so distant past: Japan was considered to be the next big power, be the ‘japanese century’ and so forth, and they have fallen into a state of stagnation, no one is selling ‘the Japanese method’ any more, and it highlights one of the strengths of the US. Japan in part collapsed because it couldn’t change, the culture of how they did things was too strong, and the government couldn’t act when it should have, and as a result they are kind of on the sidelines at the moment, especially economically. The US has a history of re-inventing itself, maybe because we are still a young country that is constantly changing. During the 1930’s, Stalin had his chief economist study the US, to see if the Great Depression would lead to a revolt, and the economist’s words are interesting, he told Stalin no, that what would happen is that the US would adopt new methods, including taking things from socialist economics, and as a result would survive without a revolt (Stalin had the economist executed for that…). The US came out of the Great Depression with its industrial base in ruins, shut down, and in a short period of time created a manufacturing industry that supported the second world war, using techniques and ideas never seen before, using women in factories and others who had never worked there, built ships at a rapid pace, etc…and created or helped create a whole range of inventions in a very short period of time…Churchill once said something about the US, he said we generally end up doing the right thing, generally after we have tried everything else, and I think that is true…</p>
<p>As far as claims that stuff is being made in China because of better quality workers and such, that is a crock of dog poop. Manufacturing in China today is there for the simple reason that China traditionally built its economic strength on a large supply of flexible, cheap labor and that is still true today. Manufacturing in China pays relatively little (and many college graduates there don’t make much more), without benefits, and companies can ship old tools and dies with little capital costs and produce stuff at a fraction of the price it would take elsewhere, pure and simple (and quality and Chinese products is not exactly synonymous, their build quality is some of the worst in the world, as is their efficiency and productivity on a worker basis). Apple manufactured in China because Foxconn can provide assembly for relatively little, on a 600 dollar Iphone the labor cost is about 14 bucks. Jobs could say what he wants, but the facts speak for themselves, to maintain their huge profit margins (the cost of an Iphone is about 180 bucks/unit to make) they want/need cheap labor. Almost anything could be made in the US, and the prices prob wouldn’t be all that much different, but it would mean cutting into the huge profit margins firms now have and also the dirt cheap prices we see on some things, but it also would take capital costs to do it. You aren’t going to compete against a third world country labor rate, like 50c an hour for a 16 hour day working 7 days a week as is common in China, doing things the way they do, but with modern manufacturing techniques you can bring the costs of production down to where it can be profitable with more then a few things…will this happen anytime soon? I doubt it, too many are raking in huge profits and salaries using this model…</p>
<p>The top Chinese schools take relatively few students, and also highlights one of the problems with Chinese culture and education. In China, to get into the top schools, of which there are few, the competition is fierce and is based on getting through a series of standardized tests and such, and there is all kinds of gaming to get into those schools, cram schools, cheating, you name it…</p>
<p>The problem is the rest of the colleges in China are mediocre in comparison, which is why those that can afford it send them to the US and elsewhere. McKimsey did a report on education in China and they said that students coming out of the non elite universities there are not prepared well to work for western or multi national companies, they estimate 10% or so are ready…and to be honest, given the size of the Chinese population and how few ‘great’ universities they have, we still see a lot of the top students here, but as a percentage of all the students from China, a lot more are at lower levels then they used to be.</p>
<p>One of the advantages the US is the network of colleges here, and the fact that where you went to college is not as a big a deal as it is in China. Put it this way, if you are going to work for the government or work for an elite company, if you don’t graduate from a top school in China, they won’t look at you (kind of like investment banking in this country, if you don’t come out of an IVY or a top 15 program, forget it). Yeah, we have crappy schools here, too, ones you wonder who their students are, but that isn’t a bad thing. In the US, once you are out there working, where you went to college means little or nothing, it is job experience and what you have done. There is a saying out there, with large grains of truth, of hiring managers saying “I love ivy students, I hire them all the time” and you end up with A level students who went to ivies being managed by people who went to a state school and had a B average, because in the workplace the B student showed themselves more then capable (we hope)…you see it in this country among Asian-Americans, where they believe if you don’t go to a ‘top university’ you won’t get a good job, or if you don’t go to Juilliard you won’t be a musician (conversely, many believe if you get into an Ivy or into Juilliard, that guarantees you a good career path, and that isn’t true either). Given the size of China, if they still hold to that model, they are holding themselves back because a)not all students at elite schools are going to do anything that spectacular and b)a lot of the kids not ‘good enough’ for an ivy or whatever go out there and burn up the firmament. A lot of companies are run and founded by people who seemed otherwise ‘ordinary’, in other words, and if we had the same bias in the US, a lot would be lost. </p>
<p>It is one of the reason comparing the US to China is problematic, one of the reasons for kids in China getting high grades on standardized tests and such is that is the only way to succeed, where in the US there are many paths, because where you went to college simply isn’t as important as what you do with it.</p>
<p>I don’t know when American people can wake up.</p>
<p>Even some people on CC disdain the Chinese people but take profit from China.</p>
<p>Here is the sad reality:</p>
<p>Chinese government owned companies with Chinese workers have contracts for:</p>
<p>$400 million Alexander Hamilton bridge in New York
$7.2 billion bridge connecting San Francisco with Oakland
$190 million bridge in Alaska</p>
<p>[U.S</a>. Bridges, Roads Being Built by Chinese Firms | Video - ABC News](<a href=“http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/us-bridges-roads-built-chinese-firms-14594513?tab=9482930?ion=1206853&playlist=14594944]U.S”>http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/us-bridges-roads-built-chinese-firms-14594513?tab=9482930?ion=1206853&playlist=14594944)</p>
<p>Don’t blame on Latino immigrants taking jobs from American people.
Blame it on our goverment officials who take under table money from China.</p>
<p>“It is one of the reason comparing the US to China is problematic, one of the reasons for kids in China getting high grades on standardized tests and such is that is the only way to succeed, where in the US there are many paths, because where you went to college simply isn’t as important as what you do with it.”</p>
<p>No different, in China, we have people who made it without a high school certificate, no less a college degree. A few of my friends dads are multi-millionaires with only Grade 7education. The one quality they have is hard-work and dedication. There are many stories like this in China as well as overseas-Chinese who left China to find wealth in other countries. Just so little you know.</p>
<p>Today, Everyone is Chinese!</p>
<p>Happy New Year.</p>
<p>(can’t wait until St. Patrick’s Day, when I can be Irish) :)</p>
<p>“As far as claims that stuff is being made in China because of better quality workers and such, that is a crock of dog poop.”</p>
<p>I can tell you for a fact that China definitely has better quality workers. If you had been to a Chinese factory you would be astonished to learn that most of these workers are young and agile. They are quick with their hands and move with fluid dexterity. I agreed, their wages are low but for a repetitive type job that does not require much skills and education, it is a job most farmers would like to have over sweatering menial job out in the padi field. Besides, most get subsidize meals and housing which soften the blow of their low wages. We can only hope that someday these workers will get better pay and benefits, like $2 an hour instead of 0.50 and hour, half hour break every 3 hours work, OSHA standards, good ergornomic etc. This will have to wait until the supply and demand dynamic of the job market in China improved further.</p>